Does anyone know of any web sites that have message boards like this one but deal mostly in hiring processes and questions about getting a job in different federal law enforment agencies?

Thanks in Advance

www.911jobforums.com

These are serious people that are currently or are looking to be Federal LEOs.  There are a lot of very useful posting about the processes involved with a wide range of law enforcement careers.

Gentlemen,

Regrettably, there is a lot more to 911jobforums.com than meets the eye. The forums there are highly censored (even PolygraphPlace.com has a greater tolerance for free speech). 911hotjobs is a for-profit entity and receives substantial advertising revenue from various law enforcement employers. Posts not "toeing the party line" are frequently deleted.

I hold the owner of that site, Bob Amaral, in very low regard. In addition to his arbitrary and capricious deleting of posts, Mr. Amaral once placed libelous statements about George Maschke on the header of every page on his site.

My last experience with 911jobforums.com was roughly two years ago. At that time, posts exposing the trickery behind polygraphy were instantly deleted. Previous to the existence of AntiPolygraph.org, many posts on polygraphy referred to Doug Williams. Amaral claimed these posts were deleted because they were of a commercial purpose (hard to believe considering the commercial content of other posts that remained). Despite this claim, posts not referring to any commercial site were also deleted. When I wrote him for clarification on the terms of service were for his entity, he declined to reply. I was left to surmise that the house rule was to disallow any posts that provide derogatory information about advertisers (LE employers) or potential advertisers.

Recently, I noticed that the site was actually hawking a book that provides information on polygraph countermeasures. I don't know how this squares with how they were handling the message board.

It would be interesting to see if this type of reprehensible behavior is still going on. Perhaps someone can post an explanation of the trickery behind polygraphy on an appropriate thread at 911jobforums.com. Better yet, include the words AntiPolygraph.org. Let's see how long it lasts.

Gentlemen,

Note that a poster on this board recently described how his account of his FBI polygraph experience on www.911jobforums.com was deleted.

The thread can be found here.

You are right. We have been kind of strict about the polygraph on our site. I apologize for this. We have software in place that automatically deletes polygraph topics. If a polygraph topic is posted enough times by a member, then the software automatically bans the person. As of today, I have turned off that software. People may now have the ability to talk about the polygraph no problem. However....I want the polygraph threads to help applicants. I don't want it turned into a soap box thread.

Dear Mr. Amaral,

I congratulate you on changing your policy to allow unhindered discussion of polygraph matters on 911jobforums.com! As you're undoubtedly aware, polygraph screening is a topic of keen interest to law enforcement applicants, and for good reason: the National Academy of Sciences recently determined that polygraph screening is completely invalid.

I hope that you will also reverse your policy of not allowing references to AntiPolygraph.org and other polygraph-related websites on 911jobforums.com. The polygraph-related threads on your website will be most helpful to applicants if they are able to openly discuss all aspects of polygraphy and polygraph policy, including the information that is available at no cost here on AntiPolygraph.org (a non-profit, public interest website).

Apparently, although 911jobforums.com may no longer be automatically deleting polygraph-related message threads, their moderators are prepared to do so manually. See the following message thread:

http://www.911jobforums.com/vB/showthread.php3?s=&threadid=19055

where the moderator gives a vague warning to keep posts "professional and on the topic."

QuoteThis tends to be one of those sore subjects. Do a search and I'm sure you'll find plenty of previous discussion. I don't think anyone on the board can offer something that speaks to "Going on the record" for agencies; only discuss theories supporting agencies various policies. Polygraphs are an accepted form of pre-employment screening. Yes there are stories of frustration and alleged false results. However, polygraphs are here and likely not to go away anytime soon. You'd be better off to accept it and deal with it. That is to say, that excessive heartburn and worry won't make them go away.

For those of you considering to respond: I have asked the other mods that cover down on the Fed forum to look at this thread. I know that in the past we have seen this same discussion get out of hand. Please keep you comments professional and on the topic, otherwise, I'm certain it'll be deleted outright.

911jobforums.com's past policy was to delete posts that venture too close to the truth about polygraphy, for example any that explain the difference between relevant and "control" questions. It's not clear that any real change has taken place in that policy.

George,


I posted a new thread on 911jobforums.com to see if the moderator will delete it, or allow it to remain as posted. It can be viewed at:

http://www.911jobforums.com/vB/showthread.php3?s=&threadid=19078

The post is a [copy & paste] of one of my previous post(s) on this board titled "New York Times Report on Polygraph Testing".

Be advised, I posted under the same board identity as I do here, "triple x".


Regards,
triple x

Triple X,

Your post has been eliminated as far I can determine. I can't believe how heavily regulated the boards are. It kind of reminds me of standing in line to take a written and listening to people make up stories. Mr. Amaral , please ease up on your focus, after all, the poly is part of the process!

Fred F.

We are easing up. There is a great discussion about the polygraph on ur board right now. What we won't stand for is just a cutting and pasting of articles splattered all over of site. If you want to help applicants with your own words...that is fine, but to tell a person to "go here" or "go there", or to cut and paste articles regarding the polygraph...well it is not going to happen. I am honestly trying here. We have had to remove 4 cut and pasted articles within the past 2 days.

Fred F.,

You are absolutely correct. My post has in fact been deleted from the 911jobforum message board. That's incredible, my message was deleted within the very hour in which it was posted.

What a pathetic excuse for an open forum message board. What ever happened to freedom of speech? Apparently, on the 911jobforum board, if your post is not totally inline with the views of the board moderator, [Bob Amaral] they delete you message.

The following is the text message I receive when I attempt to view my message thread.

"vBulletin Message
Invalid thread specified. If you followed a valid link, please notify the webmaster "

Friend and foe alike on antipolygraph.org message board can agree, we are extended the right to free speech.

They can say what they want to against George and Gino J. Scalabrini, but they do not delete messages that differ with their own views.

George does not even delete message threads that personally slander and insult him on a personal level.

The critics that do not support George's views on polygraph testing, should at least respect him for allowing free speech on this board.


911jobforum.com is a pathetic website that masquerades as an open forum allowing ones own personal views, as well as an exchange of thoughts, ideals, opinions, etc. I assure you it is not. My post was deleted within the same hour in which it was posted.

Respectfully,
Triple x

I simply haven't found any other site that compares to Antipolygraph.org's liberty with those who post.  All this fuss is made about those who come in here and say that they passed a poly by using countermeasures, yet if they were to post that over in 911, they would be deleted.  Stones are thrown at this site by the likes of Menges simply because this site exercises the greatest freedoms of the American people -- Freedom of Speech.  

Shame on 911jobforums for their censorship.

Respectfully,

Quote from: Seeker on Mar 10, 2003, 10:27 PM
this site exercises the greatest freedoms of the American people -- Freedom of Speech.  

This is so true it brings a tear to my eye.  Especially after the numerous tounge-lashings I took from the FBI for posting my story here.

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Shame on 911jobforums for their censorship.

I went and peeked around 911jobforums.  I have to say I was in shock.  There were many questions I could have answered to prospective FBI candidates, not only about the polygraph, but also about the application process itself -- some of the same information I have provided to individuals on this site.

Well, I couldn't post as a guest on that site, because they don't allow it.  I considered registering, but if my posts are just going to be censored, why should I?

Mr. Amaral, please don't come here and tell us that you are "easing up."  You are not doing anyone on your site any service by only telling one side of a story.  You ought to have big disclaimers flashing on your page, saying "We censor anything our sponsors might be offended by!"  This way, the registered users who think they are getting good advice might research a little more before they walk into the hornet's nest completely oblivious.

Of course, for a Probable Lie Control Question Test to "work," they have to be oblivious, right Bob?  You and your site are just another pawn in the system.  Good luck sleeping at night knowing you dupe your users into false security through censorship.  Sounds REALLY American, doesn't it, comrade?

Chris

Who would want the job of censoring a message board?  Is this person PAID with MY tax dollars?  Must be the same addle-brained policy that spent my tax dollars on "operation pipe dreams" censoring the internet by actually taking over the domain names of bong and waterpipe sellers.  

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20030225/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/drug_paraphernalia_9

They even busted Chong! Are they next going to take away pop cans, toilet paper rolls, and tin foil?  Maybe they will bust Alcoa, Coca Cola, and Charmin next.  

Meanwhile, Afganistan has once again become the biggest heroine producer, http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/2814861.stm, Osama runs free, and they tell us to buy duct tape!

Pipe dreams indeed.  I look in on this web site every so often, expecting to see the US flag that the government posts on the sites they have censored.  I'm glad it's still here, but they way our civil liberties are being systematically routed, I will not be surprised when the day comes that it is gone.

--- Cujo

Here is a message board specifically about the FBI, with an emphasis on employment-related questions:

http://greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a.tcl?topic=The%20FBI