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getrealalready Senior User Offline Posts: 57 Joined: Oct 6^th, 2007	Re: Polygraph Place Bulletin Board Private Forum Reply #60 - Aug 23^rd, 2013 at 12:48am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Pailryder, Can you specifically site an example of something that Mr. Williams has said recently that you believe he could not have said on this site anytime since the creation of this website? If so, can you site an example of where he was prevented or warned about posting such a thing?


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pailryder Especially Senior User Offline Posts: 441 Joined: Jun 5^th, 2006	Re: Polygraph Place Bulletin Board Private Forum Reply #61 - Aug 23^rd, 2013 at 7:54pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	getrealalready I find irony in the fact that Doug and George settled their differences at this particular time when Doug's for profit business is receiving such scrutiny. I am sure you have followed this board long enough to recall that Doug once posted a glowing review of his own book, under a different name, of course, and once offered a fist fight, with a promise to whip George's ass, as a way to resolve their issues.

	No good social purpose can be served by inventing ways of beating the lie detector or deceiving polygraphers. David Thoreson Lykken
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getrealalready Senior User Offline Posts: 57 Joined: Oct 6^th, 2007	Re: Polygraph Place Bulletin Board Private Forum Reply #62 - Aug 23^rd, 2013 at 9:09pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Pailryder, That which you say is true; in times past Mr. Williams has made inappropriate comments on this board and may well have slandered and/or threatened Dr. Maschke. That, however, is irrelevant to the point that I was making...which is...I see no evidence whatsoever, that at any time since the inception of AntiPolygraph.org that Dr. Maschke, even while being attacked, would have taken any steps to prevent the posting of anything that Mr. Williams now says on this board. I believe that is the case because, although that which Mr. Williams says may well be promotional and/or self serving, it is largely true and accurate with regards to his efforts to debunk polygraphy and to warn and assist those who may be victims of this rather crude quackery.
	« Last Edit: Aug 23^rd, 2013 at 9:26pm by getrealalready »

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pailryder Especially Senior User Offline Posts: 441 Joined: Jun 5^th, 2006	Re: Polygraph Place Bulletin Board Private Forum Reply #63 - Aug 24^th, 2013 at 11:15am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	getrealalready I take your point. Dr Maschke has never, to my knowledge, prevented anyone on the anti side from posting whatever they wished and I did not intend to imply otherwise. But Dr Maschke has always, it seems to me, taken pride in maintaining the site as source of free information for all, and thus avoided the charge, often made against other sites, that they are all about self promotion and money. I challenge you to review my postings and cite specific examples where you feel I have engaged in quackery.
	« Last Edit: Aug 24^th, 2013 at 12:04pm by pailryder »
	No good social purpose can be served by inventing ways of beating the lie detector or deceiving polygraphers. David Thoreson Lykken
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getrealalready Senior User Offline Posts: 57 Joined: Oct 6^th, 2007	Re: Polygraph Place Bulletin Board Private Forum Reply #64 - Aug 25^th, 2013 at 12:40am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Pailryder, My reference to quackery has nothing to do with your posts but with the practice of polygraphy (lie detection) which is nothing but quackery in your hands or any other...


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George W. Maschke Global Moderator Offline Make-believe science yields make-believe security. Posts: 6211 Joined: Sep 29^th, 2000	Re: Polygraph Place Bulletin Board Private Forum Reply #68 - Aug 26^th, 2013 at 11:53am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Pailryder, With respect to Getrealalready's last post, note that Lykken's Guilty Knowledge Test (GKT) is not a lie detection test.

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Ex Member God Member Offline Posts: 710 Joined: Dec 9^th, 2012	Re: Polygraph Place Bulletin Board Private Forum Reply #71 - Aug 28^th, 2013 at 5:19am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	I think "Peak of Tension" is a more apt name. "Guilty Knowledge" is an implication; POT more correctly describes some shift in psychological stress, the root cause of which cannot be precisely determined.


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Drew Richardson Especially Senior User Offline Posts: 427 Joined: Sep 7^th, 2001	Re: Polygraph Place Bulletin Board Private Forum Reply #72 - Aug 28^th, 2013 at 11:48am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	A Peak of Tension (POT) test is a poorly designed concealed information test (CIT). Unlike David Lykken's Guilty Knowledge Test (GKT) format, the POT involves QUESTION presentation in KNOWN (to the examinee) SEQUENCES, which renders the individual test items NOT independent of one another and therefore having the test results not being amenable to the normal statistical analysis of a properly designed CIT. A GKT can be poorly constructed and confounded as well by asking questions as opposed to presenting subject areas and alternative answers which are repeated by the examinee. If a GKT is constructed to involve questions answered with alternative answers repeated by the examinee, in effect, one has created and confounded a CIT with a lie detection test (something which has no validity in its own right and is not made better by confusing/confounding with a CIT).


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