Joe, if things for you in the Texas PCSOT bidness environment haven't changed much since 2005, what makes you think they'll change anytime soon?

The APA presidency is off the table, but I will continue to rail against polygraph victimization.

You keep talking about polygraph victimization, but then you tell me to give up, which only makes examiners who do victimize people stronger and they'll play their inconclusive game with no one to call them in it or expose them.

There are examiners down here running SOT tests out of standard, yea you're right, I should give up and leave examinees to that too.   

Examinees are verbally abused down here by a few specific examiners.  I give up, they get stronger.   

Yea, you're all about railing against polygraph victimization.  Do you have any documented evidence, other than mine, that you can point at and prove polygraph victimization exists?  irrefutable evidence?

Yea, well I am a long way from retirement, and looks like I'm not leaving Texas anytime soon.  So either everyone needs to start learning how to play nice down here, or I am going to start playing out of their playbook.   

I doubt they will play nice.

Dan Mangan wrote on Dec 6^th, 2016 at 11:12pm:


Wow, now there is a name I haven't heard in ages.  Is he still around?   

I'll probably read the book.   

We are going in circles with the argument in regard to our personal beliefs on accuracy and reliability.  What we are doing is the equivalent of, being the village atheist whose single passion is to revile endlessly that which he denies the existence of in the first place.  In other words, it's a pointless discussion.

I do believe, as I have made abundantly clear, there are some examiners who tout this 93% number, and need to be brought to task about their fear to take the very test they sell.  You call me to tack about it, but you won't call out the people who are not only guilty of your sin of believing the 93% number, they are, actually guilty of the sin of being hypocrites for not backing up their claims of accuracy with action.  They also need to be confronted in regard to what kind of message that sends to their customers, and to the consumer. 

I will no doubt be punished, for taking the other examiners refusal to take the test, and use it to impeach their credibility as polygraph examiners. Having said that, I am no stranger to being punished for telling the truth.   

The examiners who fear the test we advocate and sell, are held up as shining examples of the best of the best of polygraph.  They are given almost saint like status, and are protected like precious snowflakes from any truthful criticism. While in contrast, the examiner who tried to set the example, by being the first examiner to believe in our product so much that I offered to submit to the test, and voluntary leave the industry if I failed; and for this I am held out as everything that is wrong with the polygraph industry.

So, Maria and the other examiners refuse to take the test because either, they are lying, or they don't trust the tests accuracy.  For this they are held out as heroes and defenders of the industry.  They are protected.

I offer, publicly to take the test, claiming that I 100% trust the accuracy of the test so much, that if I fail, I will give maria and TAPE what they want and leave the industry forever.  For this I am declared an enemy of the state, and the worst example of a polygraph examiner ever? 

WTF 

No, I will not leave my clients to charlatans, frauds, and  examiners of questionable character or integrity.

To be a martyr would require my death, don't tease me with an event for which I would consider a reprieve.   

I can't imagine that hell would be any worse.  I look forward to the humane treatment.

Anyway, you say no one gives a shit, I am inclined to disagree.  If no one cared, no one would be threatening to sue be into silence.  So obviously someone cares.   

You know what would be awesome? If they stopped caring, then everyone could move on.  I can't wait to stop caring, that would be awesome.

On your fist point.

Go Fuck Yourself.  I mice would be petty awesome, if other people would put shit behind them as I have tried to put this behind me.   

Morover, you implying that I am exaggerating, come on down and try to like my life and pay my bills while thee people do everything in their power to keep you from competing in the market.  Frankly I was I was exaggerating, because if I was, that would mean I am making more money than I claim not to be making.  I would love to be exaggerating the bullshit I life with down here.   

Lastly,

Something may be happening to significantly change the game down here.  I might have gotten the attention of someone who can, on at least a small level, turn a restricted, non transparent market, into a transparent fairer market, where everyone benefits; including the consumer, the public and the examiners.  ALL of the examiners, not just me.   

And really that is what I am working to do.  A closed, restricted, hostile, market, where no one is checking behind us is bad for everyone.  It's bad for the consumer, the public, the examiner, as well as others involved and the industry.   

Whats wrong Dan, you can't beat the industry, so now you're going to take it out on me?

Here's why you couldn't beat them.  Because you want to only destroy the industry, while offering nothing to improve it.  You say you have all these ideas, but you have no solutions.  You also don't even show up to APA meetings to lobby your position, of get people to see your side of the coin.  That is part of the reason we have these things you know, and exchange of ideas.  No one would stop you from speaking your mind.  When I went, no one stopped me from speaking mine, and intact more got done there than when I went to TAPE in October 2014.

The partial peace I achieved there is holding, and there is less hostility at least in regard to that direction than others.  But hey, let's not see or recognize that, because that flying in the face of the martyr bullshit.   

If you can't be part of the solution, don't be a part of the problem.  Sometimes, it almost seems like you want to BE the problem though.  Having said that, I believe you could be a bigger part of the solution, if you really wanted to solve the stuff you say you want to solve.  But your idea of solving is destruction, not building.

Anyway, got work to do over the weekend.  If this works the way I hope it will, it will improve work product of all examiners, by encouraging competition.  Competition, makes for better examiners, better work product and encourages innovation, which promotes growth.  It will foster an environment of accountability.  And I hope with all that, will create a market, that words better for everyone, not just one.   

In the end, that is what the root of this 10 year fight has been all about