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Jul 14th, 2016 at 6:50pm
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I must take the polygraph as a result of my therapy, not directly through my parole officer. Some of the stipulations generally applied to everybody in the therapy class involve not being allowed to watch PG-13 or R movies, not allowed to channel-surf on television, not allowed to drive to a location I haven't been before without prior approval from parole officer and therapist (this one would really make job interviews difficult since it usually takes a day or so to hear back from both), and other such ridiculous terms we must agree to.

I made a mistake with a girl four years younger than I was, with her being on the wrong side of 17 in Texas. I'm not trying to run around and rape children left and right now. But I haven't abided by all these nonsense rules admittedly. So sorry that I watched Jurassic World, I know that it is a crime against my community and absolutely sickening. That's why I need to seek help passing the polygraph test.
  
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Reply #1 - Jul 15th, 2016 at 2:19am
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waldenrefugee,
The injunctions placed upon you are to help you steer clear of triggers that may prompt faulty thinking similar to that which led to your decision to be tempted by jail bait.

In my opinion the consequences resulting from a Jurassic Park mea culpa would not be severe. Mostly likely, the admission would be perceived as progress in your treatment. Nobody here in this forum is going to advocate you trying to beat a polygraph exam while withholding information detrimental to your recovery.
  
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Reply #2 - Jul 15th, 2016 at 3:49am
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In my opinion, any therapist who relies on polygraphy is a quack, and the value of any such "treatment" is dubious. Moreover, it does not appear, based on waldenrefugee's post, that he is suffering from any disorder from which he needs to recover.

Note that even if waldenrefugee admits to having watched Jurassic Park, it's unlikely to help him pass the polygraph. In fact, it could have the opposite effect. To a polygrapher, such an admission could be taken as a sign that the examinee must be holding back something more significant.

In view of polygraphy's complete lack of scientific underpinnings, the high risk of a false positive outcome, and the severe consequences attending thereto, I think it is prudent for everyone subjected to polygraph screening, including those in post-conviction sex offender treatment programs, to educate themselves about the pseudoscience of polygraphy.
  

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Reply #3 - Jul 15th, 2016 at 5:52am
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Sexual relations with girls younger than 17 is usually considered a form of paraphilia in need of psychotherapy. I think his best path forward is to be positive and learn from his therapists about making better decisions.
  
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Reply #4 - Jul 15th, 2016 at 8:53am
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I think that when a therapist compels a person in his charge to submit to such a fraudulent procedure as polygraph "testing," it sends the clear message that the therapist doesn't take the "treatment" seriously. So why should the person being "treated" take it seriously?
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Reply #5 - Jul 15th, 2016 at 2:36pm
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Forgive me George, but your intense disdain for the polygraph sometimes results in collateral damage in your judgement. Polygraph or not, I don't think having waldenrefugee in perpetual brown study about how to get over on his polygraph is a good place for him to be. He needs to move forward with his life and stop having sex with underage girls.
  
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Reply #6 - Jul 15th, 2016 at 2:45pm
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Arkhangelsk,

In my opinion, any therapist who relies on polygraphy is a quack, and the value of any such "treatment" is dubious. Moreover, it does not appear, based on waldenrefugee's post, that he is suffering from any disorder from which he needs to recover.

Note that even if waldenrefugee admits to having watched Jurassic Park, it's unlikely to help him pass the polygraph. In fact, it could have the opposite effect. To a polygrapher, such an admission could be taken as a sign that the examinee must be holding back something more significant.

In view of polygraph's complete lack of scientific underpinnings, the high risk of a false positive outcome, and the severe consequences attending thereto, I think it is prudent for everyone subjected to polygraph screening, including those in post-conviction sex offender treatment programs, to educate themselves about the pseudoscience of polygraphy.


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Reply #7 - Jul 15th, 2016 at 3:08pm
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Doc, do you think waldenrefugee should continue to withhold his violations because his therapist is a quack for using the polygraph?
  
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Reply #8 - Jul 15th, 2016 at 3:43pm
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Ark,

The one overriding and absolute consideration is that waldenrefugee  needs to be fully aware that his therapist is a quack to the extent that he/she depends upon a polygraph examination as a basis for determining his (or anybody's for that matter) compliance and/or treatment plan. 

If one relies upon quackery in the execution of one's professional duties, it is not unreasonable that one would receive all the respect due a quack. 

How waldenrefugee decides to interact with the quack will likely be determined by what he considers to be in his best interest.  I have no basis for an opinion/specific recommendations on this latter matter.
  
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Reply #9 - Jul 15th, 2016 at 3:51pm
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I agree that the polygraph is folly in this regard. But, I fear that we may be tossing waldenrefugee out with the bath water.
  
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Reply #10 - Jul 15th, 2016 at 5:31pm
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So. if I got this right, you need help passing a polygraph because to avoid jail time for having sex with a minor, you agreed to follow some nonsense rules which you broke and now if you admit to watching Jurassic World your examiner is going to press you on the porn you also watched?

And you are in Texas?  You truly need help.
  

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Reply #11 - Jul 15th, 2016 at 9:40pm
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...and now if you admit to watching Jurassic World your examiner is going to press you on the porn you also watched...


I don't recall waldenrefugee admitting to watching porn.  Did I miss something or is this exactly the sort of polygrapher BS that George warned about occurring in a real life setting if waldenrefugee were to bring up watching Jurassic World to his polygrapher?
  
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Reply #12 - Jul 16th, 2016 at 10:41am
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Yes getrealalready

This is exactly the type of polygraph BS walden should expect.  Once his examiner gets the porn admission they will move on to the sexting.  You ignore one nonsense rule, you probably ignore them all.  Human nature 101.
  

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Reply #13 - Jul 16th, 2016 at 11:04am
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"...This is exactly the type of polygraph BS walden should expect.  Once his examiner gets the porn admission they will move on to the sexting..."


Straight from the horse's....er.....mouth.  Be careful out there, polygraph examinees and those who would recommend blindly going along with the process.  Be prepared--this is what you should expect to come your way...He/she gives you human nature 101; you give him/her human nature 102...
  
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Reply #14 - Jul 16th, 2016 at 3:17pm
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You need to get real.  If waldenrefuge, an admitted, convicted, sexual offender, doesn't like his parole officer, his quack treatment provider, bs polygraph examiner and the probation restrictions that he agreed to, how is he going to like the restrictions at a Texas Department of Corrections facility?
  

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