Armed with only the documented truth, cameras, recorders and records, I go to war to try to achieve peace.   

I am not optimistic

Joe McCarthy wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 9:15pm:

Hmm, interesting. Ostensibly, this criterion appears as a quality control measure, which is understandable. However, its exclusionary tactic is not only open to abuse, it's unfair. There should be a mechanism whereby a private individual can properly demonstrate commensurate proficiency and expertise without forced participation in a "professional" organization.

The hell you are if I am there. 

I am partly fighting to for a return to the way things were before the usurper came along and decided to get this organization involved with a fight they don't want any part of; or at least that is what I am told. 

NPA, was a non political organization where this thing would once not be even entertained. Somehow, someone, we all know who, has manipulated people to take up her vendetta. In the process, it has become, "Joe roll over and take it, and they will go away"

Fact is, the stunt they pulled in 2014 made it clear they won't go away. And a few days ago, this went way too far and I can't count on anyone to call these people to the plate on it because calling them to the plate seems to be taboo. 

I am sure I will somehow be blamed and I provoked that attack. That is the way it seems to go. 

Anyway, if I can quell this situation with the usurper, and there is a return to everyone coming to Vegas without having to worry about this crap, and the fight in texas stays in texas, I don't need an insurrectionist coming in to mess up everyone's good time. 

I don't mind having ya there, it would be nice to have someone around from the hometown,  but only if you play nice. We don't need someone coming for the soul reason of making trouble, where no trouble exists. We are already dealing with that with the usurper. God knows I didn't bring this fight to Vegas. I came here to escape the politics and BS. The usurper came for the purpose of causing problems and ruining a good thing. Sadly, she is being allowed to do it, and obviously, because she gets away with her antics, it's clear the Texas examiners just get bolder. 

That is what these people don't understand. If you give these Texas examiners an inch, they take it as weakness and they push to the next level, just like what is happening now. 

They have done this in the past, and when the judge let the lieguytoo thing pass without consequences, clearly they think the NPA will do the same. She will, no doubt, try to convince them that I provoked it; but she will be hard pressed to point out who what happened here is appropriate. 

Problem is, this is a pattern of behavior for them. 

What passes me off is, it seems no one is taking it seriously and probably won't, until they become so bold, that they actually do something, and I am forced to defend myself. I am sure that will be my fault too though. 

No one seems to get the idea, that I only come here when I am marginalized or backed into a corner. And obviously, coming here or addressing it on a private message board, for examiners only, has the same result and consequences. At least here all the sudden, I am taken seriously, because they hate the truth being public more than me addressing it in private. So maybe TEXASPP is right, private or public, it comes right down to, how did TEXASPP put it, "shut my mouth," and play their whipping boy without defending myself or expecting them to be help accountable for this behavior that has become a pattern for the Texas examiners involved. 

Maybe I am wrong about how I see their lack of concern. I guess I'll know soon enough

But no, if I can get things back to homeostasis, and politics and these games take a back seat again, I don't need you messing that up and ruining everyone's good time 

If you do come, let's have some beers, do some ceu's, cause havoc at the tables, and have a good time

Keep the politics at APA, we don't want it. 

Then again, if I am wrong and they are switching to the political game playing, have at it; but it will be a dime late and a dollar short for me. 

Everyone tells me privately, they don't like some of these peoplen and some even roll their eyes when you even mention texas, but for some reason, i am.the only one with the balls to take a strong stand, and what the Texans want, the industry bends over and kisses their asses; right or wrong. It baffles the hell out of me. 

Some even say I have been treated unfairly, but no one will dare say it publicly, because then they will be labeled as being just like Joe McCarthy. I have been told that is the mantra at TAPE, remember what we did to Joe 

That I get that as second hand information.  But look at their histroy

What exactly are the chief differences between the NPA and APA?

Are they adversaries?

Dan, yes I kinda knew what they were administratively, but Vulture Joe's last post hinted at certain nuances to which I am naïve. So I guess I was chumming for comments to sample attitudes.

Anyway, this little battle is done.  No one lost, and everyone came out winners.  It would be improper to go too much into detail, but the end result is as fair as the situation allowed. It has been my experience, that if every party in a situation doesn't walk away 100% happy, then it is a good end result.  Regardless, the end result was reached unanimously, and the issue is closed so far as the NPA is concerned.

This is a Texas fight, and they would very much like to see it stay in Texas.  So it looks like TAPE, and Ms. "Off With His Head," will have to fight me in Texas.  As an earlier post has made clear, hostilities are bound to continue.  Only this time, no one outside of Texas will take up the fight.  They can no longer use private organizations to silence the truth.  Basically, it is between me, TAPE and Maria (who feels she is the voice of TAPE.  Is she?)

I'll say it again.  I will continue to fight for, fair, independent, and unbiased polygraph testing in Texas.  I will continue to fight against the high inconclusive rates we have seen in the past until I am sure those high inconclusive rates are in the past.  I will continue to be vocal about my stance against monopolies and anticompetitive behavior.  I will continue to be an advocate for the use of polygraph, within our own industry to handle situations like this, should they arise again. 

At this point, everyone involved has a choice.  I say this because I know the examiners in Texas are reading this.  Either we can settle our differences, and move on, or we can keep this up until we destroy one another.  One thing that will no longer happen, I will not roll over any more.  The leash, and gloves are off.  You guys picked this fight with your stupidity in 2014. 

Now that the fight is contained to Texas, it forces the examiners involved to do one of two things

1. Make peace, we all play nice and move on and make things in Texas better

or

2.  We can continue this, which is just bad for all of us.

One thing is clear from the past couple of years, the advice I've been getting, "Ignore them and they will go away," is not a viable option.  The only one who has shown a true desire to move on and let go, has been me.  This is clear from my period of silence from 2009 to 2014.  Both TAPE and Ms. Hubbard resurrected this feud, take some responsibility.  For once TAPE, step up and do the right thing.  

I will no longer assume this is over.  Doing so has only ended in more bolder and unwarranted attacks.   Either we all agree this is done, or I will assume that TAPE supports and condones, and supports the actions of its secretary; and that the actions of its secretary is reflective of the will and pleasure of the TAPE Board of Directors and Executive Committee.  

People have choices to make, because I am done being a doormat.  

As always my phone is on.  I suggest some people use it.

In any case, the NPA is out of this fight now.  So, it's now me vs Hubbard and TAPE.  The choice about if this continues beyond this is theirs

Dan Mangan wrote on Feb 4^th, 2016 at 2:25pm:


No there are not unreasonable things.  Your bill of rights though, is redundant however; there are already rules in place which over ethical treatment of examinees.  I would like to see rules put in place to ensure examinees are not taken advantage of; for example, an examiner, or firm with high inconclusive rates.  I also feel that safeguards need to be put in place, with certain type of testing to prevent monopolistic markets.  These are real problems, at least they have been down here in Texas.  A market that is monopolized by one examiner or firm, opens that market up for abuse.  Because the only people checking behind us, are other examiners within that good ole boy network.   

Having said this, the APA has taken huge steps to address issues of antitrust.  I think it is important to step back and give them a chance to work that policy and at some point, maybe enhance it.  I think the problem is, state associations like TAPE are being allowed to run with no accountability to anyone.  Like schools, maybe state association need to be regulated, and babysat, by a parent organization so there is a string of accountability to nationally uniformed standards.  Organizations like TAPE have shown that they cannot be trusted to self police themselves, or even abide by their own bylaws.  i will agree, there needs to be more accountability in this industry; just not sure if you are going about it in the right way.

Dan you belong to the APA; you're a full member, with full rights.  Serve on a committee, or as a member of the Board of Directors. Show up to business meetings; debate and vote on the issues.  When I was at APA last year, they were asking me where you were, and why you don't come and debate issues there.  They want you, as a full member to be a part of the process.  Frankly, you don't want to be a part of the process, unless you can run the show; it doesn't work like that. It is impossible to run for mayor of a town, and win, if you don't show up to city council meetings and make yourself and your ideas politically known.  You don't do this.

Just like I will call them to the carpet, I will do the same to you.  You are squandering your power as a full member, and then complaining about it.

I, this year have made it known, I want to be a part of the process at NPA.  I did not see a need to change any of this year's officers, because I am seeing positive progress within the organization, and this makes me optimistic for the future. Messing up the momentum is counter productive.  I have however put my hat in the ring in other areas, in which, I hope to make small contributions, to make things better.  This way, when the time comes and I do run for office, people see it is for the right reasons.  Also,  in a well run, organization, no one person holds all the power.  No one wants to elect a usurper, or insurrectionist.  We talked about your political image Dan.  There is a faster path to the goal you seek, you simply choose not to take it.   

Huge steps have been taken within the past year, that I would have never thought would back in 2009.  Things are changing and moving forward, lets help that momentum.   

Before you can kick an ass, you have to put yourself into a position to do so.   

Anyway, I have a long drive home ahead of me my friend.  Have to go back to a truly hostile market.  Seriously Dan, I wish I had your problems for a month

Joe, let me see if I have the beef understood. You are not allowed to be a member of TAPE, and as a result your business opportunities are being limited?