up coming voice analyes

[googlybear]

There was some money to come up missing at work. the money was in the safe when I left. I had to drive to hours to another store. any how another manager verified that the money had been in the safe. It took them 3 days to figure out that the money was never deposited.5 days before they reported it and now 3 weeks later to decide we have to take this stupid voice thing how can they make me take it when I was not there when the incident happened. I would quit this crappy job but my family says that would make me appear guilty. any ides

[polyscam]

Refuse.  A CVSA is not going to prove anything.  Your employer cannot force you to take such a test.  That would be a violation of the law.  They also cannot take adverse action on your employment for refusing.  Again, that would be a legal violation.

[googlybear]

its just all weird no investigation nothing justgo take these voice stress analyses they never talked to any one.my family was under the impression that if I refused that automaticaly made me guilty there are no cameras or anything they have always been real slack about the money, safe,etc

[polyscam]

Perhaps you should print a copy of the Employee Polygraph Protection Act and kindly provide your employer with a copy.  Our nation does have labor laws as do many individual states.  Remeber you do not have to submit and you cannot be forced to do so.

[googlybear]

would you happen to know where I can print that up because today at work its we Have to take it then it will be decided by law enforcement as to what will happen that as long as money was stolen they have a right to pursue with the cvsa I don't see how they can do it but... or is it just empty threats

[polyscam]

Here's a link:

http://www.fas.org/sgp/othergov/polygraph/eppa.html

Enjoy!

[googlybear]

if  I understand it right I have to take it because money was stolen or do I have to ask them to provide more proof as to why I should take it. Its my reputation at stake not theirs I am not leaving my fate in the hands of a piece of equipment. What happens when I refuseAm i automaticly considered guilty.

[George W. Maschke]

Under the EPPA, while in certain situations an employer may ask an employee to submit to a lie detector "test," the employee is under no obligation to submit to any such "test." It is against the law for the employer to take any adverse action against an employee for exercising his right to refuse the "test." If your employer fires you for refusing, he opens himself to a lawsuit that could cost him dearly.

[polyscam]

By refusing to take this joke "test" you will probably cause them to look more closely in your direction.  However, in doing so legitimate investigation will be necessary, thus clearing your name.  You do not HAVE to allow yourself to be subjected to the "test."  As a citizen you have rights which are for your protection.  Exercise those rights.

I also just found an article in a St. Louis newspaper about CVSA.  The link is quite lengthy.  You can find it by going to news.google.com.  Type in "polygraph."  Sort by date.  Scroll down and you will see a story about CVSA.  Print it out and take it with you as well.

You could also respond in a manner recently suggested to me on such matters by saying, "F**k you *sshole.    

[George W. Maschke]

Brandon,

Actually, it would be inappropriate to use profanity in refusing to submit to a lie detector "test" proferred by one's employer. While no adverse action may be taken for refusing the "test," using such disrespectful language could be considered independent grounds for such action. In this situation, it's important to be polite if one wants to keep one's job.

Googlybear,

The maker of the most widely used voice stress test has recently admitted in court that the device is not capable of lie detection. You may wish to bring a printout of the following message thread:

https://antipolygraph.org/forum/index.php?topic=2047.msg14819#msg14819

[polyscam]

Actually, it would be inappropriate to use profanity in refusing to submit to a lie detector "test" proferred by one's employer. While no adverse action may be taken for refusing the "test," using such disrespectful language could be considered independent grounds for such action. In this situation, it's important to be polite if one wants to keep one's job.  

That was more of a tongue-in-cheek suggestion.  I would never seriously advise someone to reply in such a manner.  Although, by simply requesting such an arbitrary exercise in futility the employer is deserving of such a response.  

[googlybear]

Thanks to all I am a single mother raising my children I do not need my reputation ruined by this crappy test.I have never been in a situation like this before and I appreciate everyones input so off I will go to work today to tell them that I am not taking this joke of a test. If push comes to shove they can have my keys and I will find employment else where

[Bill Crider]

I would find a way to document what gets said. have some evidence if they try to take action against you if you refuse their assinine test.

[googlybear]

ok ya'll help me today the investigator came from our local police dept.came got my statement said he could ask me to take the cvsa.That I could refuse and that would point a finger at me. then my boss goes on to tell me I HAVE to take it because money is missing so law requires that I take it. And that there is nothin I can do take it or be sent to jail. I am so stressed I did not take the money I hate this job and am so ready to quit I am just worried about the legal issues if I do not take this damn thing. HELP PLEASE

[polyscam]

I could refuse and that would point a finger at me. then my boss goes on to tell me I HAVE to take it because money is missing so law requires that I take it. And that there is nothin I can do take it or be sent to jail.

You are correct in that the police will probably point a bigger finger at you.  However, that will cause them to thoroughly investigate which should exonerate you.  Let them do it.  You may ask your boss if he has an extra 10 grand lying around that he wants to pay in fines.  The law states that because the money is missing your employer can  request that you submit to a dectection deception test (CVSA, polygraph), however it does not state that you must do so.  If you are forced you will also be entitled to initiate litigation which you would surely win.  Refusal does not mean jail time.  They have no evidence, otherwise they wouldn't be making such a ridiculous request.

Did you have a chance to print the above references article and EPPA.  You may want to do so if you have not.