Did Anyone take the Poly for the USSS Uniformed

[Diesel]

I am takin the exam soon, if anyone has any insight, i would greatly appreciate it

Note: Your post has been edited to omit reference to the specific time frame during which your polygraph examination will take place. (Otherwise the USSS polygraph unit might have felt compelled to accuse at least one Uniformed Division applicant polygraphed during this time frame of countermeasure use.) --AntiPolygraph.org Administrator

[Guest]

Oh you are a lot of help George!.....better tell your minion (who better think twice about using CM's) to be wary of at least two questions:

a.  Are you sometimes called Diesel?
b.  Have you done anything to alter the outcome of this test?

[Skeptic]

Oh you are a lot of help George!.....better tell your minion (who better think twice about using CM's) to be wary of at least two questions:

a.  Are you sometimes called Diesel?
b.  Have you done anything to alter the outcome of this test?

So, all polygraphers at USSS are going to start asking all their examinees whether they're called "Diesel"?

Better not forget "Beech Trees", "Skeptic", etc. -- for all you know, we're going to apply there, too.

You guys are too much.

As far as countermeasures are concerned, it should be noted that no polygrapher has yet had the courage to take Drew Richardson up on his countermeasure challenge (over 330 days and running).  Furthermore, I can personally attest that correctly-done countermeasures are evidently undetectable by the presumably best-trained polygraphers.

Claims that countermeasures can be detected must be greeted with the greatest skepticism.

Skeptic

[Guest]

Naw!....Bozos like Beech Trees and especially Skeptic would NEVER make it through the initial screening...They would be eliminated long before they EVER got to the polygraph stage.  Besides, would not have tyo detect the countermeasures...their physiological response to the QUESTION would be enough to affirm that they were using countermeasures and eliminate them due to their actions....remember, honest people have nothing to hide.

[George W. Maschke]

After engaging in gratuitous ad hominem attacks against those whose arguments he is apparently unable to counter on a rational basis, Guest writes:

...remember, honest people have nothing to hide...

But the "control" question "test" used by federal agencies such as the U.S. Secret Service, FBI, and DEA for pre-employment screening is predicated on the assumption that honest people do indeed have something to hide, and that they will be less than truthful in answering the "control" questions. Any who may be unclear on the concept may wish to refer to Chapter 3 of The Lie Behind the Lie Detector.

[beech trees]

Naw!....Bozos like Beech Trees and especially Skeptic would NEVER make it through the initial screening...They would be eliminated long before they EVER got to the polygraph stage.  Besides, would not have tyo detect the countermeasures...their physiological response to the QUESTION would be enough to affirm that they were using countermeasures and eliminate them due to their actions....remember, honest people have nothing to hide.

It's a shame that the need for anonymity on both our parts precludes me from relating just how wrong you are; sufficeth to say not only did I pass your little polygraph (administered by a DodPI grad), I also passed alllllllllll the other screening exams and investigations and I happily work in the career of my choice.

With regard to your 'honest people have nothin to hide', I find that especially egregious considering polygraphers lie for a living. They lie to their test subjects, they lie to their superiors concerning the scientific accuracy of the polygraph, they lie to the press about the polygraph's accuracy, and they lie here when they post offal like 'their physiological response to the QUESTION would be enough to affirm that they were using countermeasures...'

This bozo will now need his enormous floppy red shoe back when you're done removing it from your ass,

Dave

[Skeptic]

Naw!....Bozos like Beech Trees and especially Skeptic would NEVER make it through the initial screening...They would be eliminated long before they EVER got to the polygraph stage.  Besides, would not have tyo detect the countermeasures...their physiological response to the QUESTION would be enough to affirm that they were using countermeasures and eliminate them due to their actions....remember, honest people have nothing to hide.

<chuckle>

I think Beech Trees and George have already said what I would have.  I'd just like to add that I, also, had no trouble passing all other aspects of a background check and psychological testing (NSA SSBI).  I freely admit that I found the R/I polygraph testing interrogation traumatic, which was one reason I chose not to take the job.

"Honesty" has nothing to do with the polygraph.

Skeptic

[Guest]

CHOSE not take the job???...I hear it a little different!  Care to come clean to all of your followers? After all, you are one of George's minions.

[Guest]

Aha!...I knew that guy that came in with the "enormous" floppy RED shoe was you!..Just think, if you had passed the test (you really didn't now did you...tell the truth), we could have used to to entertain at the office parties we have all of the time.

[George W. Maschke]

Beech Trees, Skeptic,

I think "Guest" is unwittingly making a significant contribution to this discussion by illustrating for Diesel and others just what sort of characters they may encounter when they show up for their polygraph interrogations.

[Skeptic]

CHOSE not take the job???...I hear it a little different!  Care to come clean to all of your followers? After all, you are one of George's minions.

Note that I've never posted my identity here, so it would be impossible for "Guest" to know anything about my situation.  If I had posted my identity, I would be more than happy to also post the letter I received verifying that I voluntarily withdrew from the NSA application process and inviting me to return in the future.

I guess you'll just have to take my word for it, Guest.  But a word of advice: if you try to bluff someone, make it believable.

George, I agree.  "Guest" is a sterling example of what applicants face in the polygraph procedure.  He's not exactly helping his cause.

But perhaps the strident personal attacks are understandable.  After all, with the National Academy of Sciences' recent condemnation of polygraph screening, he and his buddies might soon be out of a job.  I suppose I'd be a little upset, too.

Skeptic

[Marty]

But perhaps the strident personal attacks are understandable.  After all, with the National Academy of Sciences' recent condemnation of polygraph screening, he and his buddies might soon be out of a job.  I suppose I'd be a little upset, too.

That may be a part of the rather churlish and superficial comments made by "guest" but, even so,  I suspect the NAS report will have less impact than one might expect.  I believe that the main reason the polygraph's use had been limited is the wide sense that it is an invasion of privacy, not it's lack of accuracy. The wide popular belief in it's accuracy has not been impacted much. The technical literati already were aware of it's shortcomings, for others it was just more noise.

For instance, Dr. Schlessinger continues to make pro-polygraph comments (save up for a lie detector test, etc) which rather suggests a certain level of ignorance re the way polygraphs work. It's especially curious given the normal practice of LE when looking at estranged family members with a homicide victim. She is fortunate that, by dint of circumstance, she is exempted from a process that would likely be inflicted on most american families.

-Marty

[Guest]

Then POST it Skeptic....or Septic...or whatever name you want to use...THIS WEEK.......don't just talk about it.....personally, I do not believe your protestations!

[Diesel]

Was just a name because i couldn't chose anything better...as for the outcome, they know everything, including the 2 times i smoke pot, and the stolen steak i receieved from a friend at school....thats bout it, but i dont want to be nervous, and just screw up from that..i know i have nothing to hide, but the whole polygraph irks me....

[Skeptic]

Was just a name because i couldn't chose anything better...as for the outcome, they know everything, including the 2 times i smoke pot, and the stolen steak i receieved from a friend at school....thats bout it, but i dont want to be nervous, and just screw up from that..i know i have nothing to hide, but the whole polygraph irks me....

Diesel,
Don't worry about it.  Ever since the NAS came out with their condemnation of polygraph screening,  an obviously shaken polygraph community has taken to trying scare tactics on those who visit here.  My advice to you would be to download The Lie Behind the Lie Detector and read it thoroughly.  Knowledge is power.

Skeptic