AP Countermeasure Trainer

[Paradiddle]

Hmmm....Rice, do you like kids? So what brings you to this realm chief?

[Wonder_Woman]

Just wanted to let all you 'higher than thou' folks know I caught another one using CM's yesterday.  Of course, he is a pedofile.  Now, do you want to hide under a rock and deny culpability?  BTW, EOS, this guy worked in a high up position at a COLLEGE!   Aren't you guys just so proud.....you tried to help another sex offender.

Well, I'm off to run some more polygraphs.  

[1904]

Just wanted to let all you 'higher than thou' folks know I caught another one using CM's yesterday.  Of course, he is a pedofile.  Now, do you want to hide under a rock and deny culpability?  BTW, EOS, this guy worked in a high up position at a COLLEGE!   Aren't you guys just so proud.....you tried to help another sex offender.

Well, I'm off to run some more polygraphs.  

I guess that means that this paedophile actually told you that he he went to AP for advice.
Yeah sure.
Are you the spokeswoman for blondes?

[EosJupiter]

Just wanted to let all you 'higher than thou' folks know I caught another one using CM's yesterday.  Of course, he is a pedofile.  Now, do you want to hide under a rock and deny culpability?  BTW, EOS, this guy worked in a high up position at a COLLEGE!   Aren't you guys just so proud.....you tried to help another sex offender.

Well, I'm off to run some more polygraphs.  

WW,

Station in life, position nor education is relief from the law or justice, no one is above the law. If you caught him, have done the due diligence neccessary to bring him to court and punish him. Then my most hardy congratulations. One of my favorite terms for criminals is, "Hang'm High". What you are doing is not a problem for me. Enjoy ....

Regards ...

[Paradiddle]

Just wanted to let all you 'higher than thou' folks know I caught another one using CM's yesterday.  Of course, he is a pedofile.  Now, do you want to hide under a rock and deny culpability?  BTW, EOS, this guy worked in a high up position at a COLLEGE!   Aren't you guys just so proud.....you tried to help another sex offender.

Well, I'm off to run some more polygraphs.  

WW,

Station in life, position nor education is relief from the law or justice, no one is above the law. If you caught him, have done the due diligence neccessary to bring him to court and punish him. Then my most hardy congratulations. One of my favorite terms for criminals is, "Hang'm High". What you are doing is not a problem for me. Enjoy ....

Regards ...

Eos
It is always great to get a pat on the back from a foe, but your congrats with one hand steals money and endangers children with the other hand. Wonder Woman probably spent a great deal more time and energy with the distraction of the countermeasures rather than the acute dynamic risk-associated behaviors of Chester. Your positive remark falls flat, as Chester may be a great fan of yours----I have had 2 clients who named you personally from reading your blogs (also Digithead on one occasion in '06). Thanks for nothing.

[digithead]

Just wanted to let all you 'higher than thou' folks know I caught another one using CM's yesterday.  Of course, he is a pedofile.  Now, do you want to hide under a rock and deny culpability?  BTW, EOS, this guy worked in a high up position at a COLLEGE!   Aren't you guys just so proud.....you tried to help another sex offender.

Well, I'm off to run some more polygraphs.  

I thought countermeasures were useless? And besides, you can easily spot them, right? So what difference does it make? From your posts, it seemed that you thought this site was useless, no?

Plus there's that whole utility argument for using the polygraph for these offenders. You know, higher admissions of crimes, wider spectrum of victims, etc. Shouldn't the utility remain?

Plus if you worked for any length of time in sex offender treatment, you would know that sexual perversion and paraphilias cross all class, race, and educational levels just like alcoholism and drug addiction. I'm surprised that you seemed surprised that someone who works at a college would be a sex offender.

Heck, didn't a couple of guys who worked for Homeland Security and the DOJ respectively just get popped for soliciting sex with minors over the internet? That there might be, gasp, sex offenders who work in LAW ENFORCEMENT? Some might even be working as POLYGRAPHERS? And don't get me started on the whole clergy abuse scandal. It's shocking, isn't it?

Well, I'm off to continue my quest for LE to abandon this pseudoscience...

[Wonder_Woman]

Hey d**k head,  If you only had a clue.  Yeah, CM's can be spoted!  Plus, I have worked with sex offenders for many years.  I actually suspect you of being one.  My comment was directed to EOS stating he only educates those that don't look like scum bags.  Turn it around all you want.  The fact is, I caught the bastard using CM's. and you guys were helping him.   And 1904, FU, the SO did admit researching CM's on this site!   Any other good advise for sex offenders?

Oh yeah, 1904, just because you were a bad polygraph examiner doesn't mean the rest of us are.  So go back to your dark hole.  Throwing out a blond joke - do you have 'little mans syndrome?' Throw another cheap shot buckwheat!

[1904]

Oh yeah, 1904, just because you were a bad polygraph examiner doesn't mean the rest of us are.  So go back to your dark hole.  Throwing out a blond joke - do you have 'little mans syndrome?' Throw another cheap shot buckwheat!

So tell me, what CM was that? You looked up and he had the pneumo tubes clenched between his teeth.
And you acutally spoted it. I susupect that he recievde bedd adivse.
BTW, do you eat with that potty mouth ?

Dyslexics Rule. KO ?

[digithead]

Hey d**k head,  If you only had a clue.  Yeah, CM's can be spoted!  Plus, I have worked with sex offenders for many years.  I actually suspect you of being one.  My comment was directed to EOS stating he only educates those that don't look like scum bags.  Turn it around all you want.  The fact is, I caught the bastard using CM's. and you guys were helping him.   And 1904, FU, the SO did admit researching CM's on this site!   Any other good advise for sex offenders?

Oh yeah, 1904, just because you were a bad polygraph examiner doesn't mean the rest of us are.  So go back to your dark hole.  Throwing out a blond joke - do you have 'little mans syndrome?' Throw another cheap shot buckwheat!

Nice ad hom! Nailed three at once...

But you failed to address any of my questions. The polygraphers who post on this site regularly claim that countermeasures are ineffective yet now you're accusing this site of helping sex offenders. If this site and its countermeasures are ineffective, how are they helping sex offenders? If anything, it just gives you guys another reason for revoking them. That seems to me to be helping you guys if countermeasures are ineffective and you have great methods for detecting them...

As for good advise for sex offenders - follow your treatment protocol because that's the only way you're going to be able overcome your predilictions. The polygraph may be pseudoscience but the rest of the treatment plan is based on sound science and has ample proof that it does reduce recidivism. And stick to your supervision guidelines because that's the only way you're going to remain free...

And sorry, no, I'm not a sex offender but again, nice ad hom...

[EosJupiter]

Eos, It is always great to get a pat on the back from a foe, but your congrats with one hand steals money and endangers children with the other hand. Wonder Woman probably spent a great deal more time and energy with the distraction of the countermeasures rather than the acute dynamic risk-associated behaviors of Chester. Your positive remark falls flat, as Chester may be a great fan of yours----I have had 2 clients who named you personally from reading your blogs (also Digithead on one occasion in '06). Thanks for nothing.

ParaDiddle,

Thats nice .....

To all I give this advice: I am no where near qualified to give any. If my beliefs are accepted by others, I am honored.

"Believe nothing just because a so-called wise person said it. Believe nothing just because a belief is generally held. Believe nothing just because it is said in ancient books. Believe nothing just because it is said to be of divine origin. Believe nothing just because someone else believes it. Believe only what you yourself test and judge to be true." - Buddha


Best Regards .....

[digithead]

Eos, It is always great to get a pat on the back from a foe, but your congrats with one hand steals money and endangers children with the other hand. Wonder Woman probably spent a great deal more time and energy with the distraction of the countermeasures rather than the acute dynamic risk-associated behaviors of Chester. Your positive remark falls flat, as Chester may be a great fan of yours----I have had 2 clients who named you personally from reading your blogs (also Digithead on one occasion in '06). Thanks for nothing.

Thanks Eos, I almost missed this one...

Named me personally? Wow! And what exactly did this sex offender say that I said? That I think the containment method is useful except for its reliance on CQT polygraphy? That I think CQT polygraphy is pseudoscience?

And to think, he actually named a person who posts under a anonymous pseudonym when he could have relied on the NAS, Lykken, Iacono, Furedy, Feinberg, Cross, Saxe, Seto, and other luminaries who have railed against CQT polygraph and its usage in real peer-reviewed research...

Somehow, it rings hollow...

[Wonder_Woman]

Hey d**k head,  If you only had a clue.  Yeah, CM's can be spoted!  Plus, I have worked with sex offenders for many years.  I actually suspect you of being one.  My comment was directed to EOS stating he only educates those that don't look like scum bags.  Turn it around all you want.  The fact is, I caught the bastard using CM's. and you guys were helping him.   And 1904, FU, the SO did admit researching CM's on this site!   Any other good advise for sex offenders?

Oh yeah, 1904, just because you were a bad polygraph examiner doesn't mean the rest of us are.  So go back to your dark hole.  Throwing out a blond joke - do you have 'little mans syndrome?' Throw another cheap shot buckwheat!

Nice ad hom! Nailed three at once...

But you failed to address any of my questions. The polygraphers who post on this site regularly claim that countermeasures are ineffective yet now you're accusing this site of helping sex offenders. If this site and its countermeasures are ineffective, how are they helping sex offenders? If anything, it just gives you guys another reason for revoking them. That seems to me to be helping you guys if countermeasures are ineffective and you have great methods for detecting them...

As for good advise for sex offenders - follow your treatment protocol because that's the only way you're going to be able overcome your predilictions. The polygraph may be pseudoscience but the rest of the treatment plan is based on sound science and has ample proof that it does reduce recidivism. And stick to your supervision guidelines because that's the only way you're going to remain free...

And sorry, no, I'm not a sex offender but again, nice ad hom...

Kim English and her team were instrumental in developing the containment approach, WHICH, includes the polygraph.  CM's are ineffective to a trained polygraph examiner.  We all know there are some examiners out there that think they know all and are not properly trained.  Yeah the SO's may get past them by using CM's they get from you guys on this site.  Does that answer your question.  You too 1904.  The other day I said old 'untrained' examiners.   Not one of the examiners posting here has claimed 100% accuracy.

Talk about ad hom.... you guys (except EOS) throw out barbs regularly....   EOS is the type that can say FU to a person and they probably thank him for his advice and I have to say that GM is also pretty pleasant.   1904 things may be f-up where you are but we have EPPA in the US.  Grow up and stop trying to be a bullyboy...I mis-spelled a word BFD.  Should I write Pedophile 100 times so you know I know how to spell it.FU  

[digithead]

Kim English and her team were instrumental in developing the containment approach, WHICH, includes the polygraph.  CM's are ineffective to a trained polygraph examiner.  We all know there are some examiners out there that think they know all and are not properly trained.  Yeah the SO's may get past them by using CM's they get from you guys on this site.  Does that answer your question.  You too 1904.  The other day I said old 'untrained' examiners.   Not one of the examiners posting here has claimed 100% accuracy.

I know Kim quite well and I've had many arguments with her about the polygraph but she is one of the true believers unfortunately. The containment method with the exception of the polygraph is a great tool because it emphasizes individualized treatment, cooperation across all levels of treatment and supervision staff, and supposedly has continuous quality improvement built in...

The problem is that there is no research that has been able to disentangle the effect of using CQT polygraph from the other treatment protocols so claiming that it is responsible for the decline in recidivism is foolhardy. And given the plethora of research outside of pro-polygraph circles that shows that CQT is not based on sound scientific principles and is inherently unreliable demonstrates to me that its use in the containment method undermines the containment methods effectiveness. Not to mention the problems of habituation and sensitization...

And if poor training is factor then God help us all...

Regardless of the fact that no polygrapher claims 100% accuracy, the bulk of the science shows that CQT polygraph cannot have any high degree of accuracy, especially in screening applications like sex offender treatment...

Talk about ad hom.... you guys (except EOS) throw out barbs regularly....   EOS is the type that can say FU to a person and they probably thank him for his advice and I have to say that GM is also pretty pleasant.   1904 things may be f-up where you are but we have EPPA in the US.  Grow up and stop trying to be a bullyboy...I mis-spelled a word BFD.  Should I write Pedophile 100 times so you know I know how to spell it.FU  

Throwing out barbs to point out illogic is one thing. It's another thing altogether to call someone a "d**k head" or accuse them of being a sex offender. That's just childish and I think it is a sign of intellectual weakness. Your first paragraph in this post was at least well reasoned and on point. In my opinion, the only dialogue worth engaging in is respectful discourse. We may have our differences in opinion but I'm not going to call you names just because I disagree with you...

So please stop with the name calling and ad hom; it distracts from the real issues we should be discussing...

[Ludovico]

Don't kid yourself.

This site is not a real discussion. Its a circus.

Presently, we're at at a standoff... our version of:

my big sister is bigger than your big brother. (Kim English and digithead)

so who is right?

she's a published researcher and program evaluator in sex offender treatment, as you also claim to be.

only we don't really know who you are.

[digithead]

Don't kid yourself.

This site is not a real discussion. Its a circus.

Only because some people don't seem to understand respectful discourse and reasoned debate...

Presently, we're at at a standoff... our version of:

my big sister is bigger than your big brother. (Kim English and digithead)

If that's your interpretation, fine...

so who is right?

That's what reasoned debate is all about...

she's a published researcher and program evaluator in sex offender treatment, as you also claim to be.

Kim is a wonderful researcher, a great writer, and she has many good ideas. She's done an incredible job over her career and I respect her greatly. I happen to disagree with her over the use of the polygraph. I don't think that sabotages any of her other work...

only we don't really know who you are.

Nor do I know who any of you are. That's the beauty of anonymous boards...