Re: Doug Williams...

[George W. Maschke]

It is worth noting that on this message board, Doug Williams has masqueraded as a satisfied customer of his own services.

[triple x]

George,

I bought Doug William's book, "How to Sting the Polygraph" several years ago, which comes with a phone number to call and talk with Doug. I called and spoke with him a couple of times, and also found Doug to be somewhat over talkative. I couldn't get a word in edgewise, thus... I finally gave up didn't call him again. I found his book interesting and informative, however. His book lacks the quality in detail, as does the TLBTLD. Doug's book contains personal side-notes and comments that diminish his credibility.

triple x

[fender85]

Yea, he continued to tell me in a loud voice, CIA, FBI, and LE do not go that deep into background checks and do not give a shit over and over. Also he plugged his book and DVD 9128390128390128 times in a yelling pattern, the dude to me discredited himself with his constant babbling and ability not to let me get a word in.

[triple x]

fender85,

I called Doug Williams 2 or 3 times several years ago to ask a couple of questions about his book, and I was less not impressed to say the least. He either had too much coffee and was over stimulated... or, he simply doesn't know when to stop talking and let the other person speak.

triple x

[Doug Williams]

Hey guys, I have an idea.  Why don't you just tell people to call me and make their own decisions about me?  (405/226-4856 – 12 hours a day 7 days a week)  I can sometimes be entertaining and informative as well as rude, overbearing, and too talkative.  

Fender85 – I didn't mean to make you so upset.  I just was not interested in your business proposition – (Fender85 wanted to trade me some website design work in exchange for my personal polygraph test preparation training.) – but after we talked, I was thinking about changing my mind and taking you up on your offer to demonstrate what you could do - I even tried calling you back but didn't know what extension to ask for.

Triple X – try calling me again sometime – I'll try to stay off the coffee long enough to let you have your say
 

[charlie9]

Doug...you are an a-hole my friend.  I too tried calling you once and you were rude and cold.  Learn how to do business my friend.  I had 7 friends all asking me whether they should buy your book and I told them without question not to.  Not because it is not effective, but because of your attitude.

And...by the way.  Comparing it to the pamphlet on this website your DVD and brochure pale in comparison.  

Regards.

[Doug Williams]

You are right, I am often rude and I will often yell, scream, holler, etc., etc., etc.  I don't have much patience with fools, and I don't have time to talk to people who haven't studied my manual properly – I get over 50 phone calls and 150 to 200 emails a day.   I don't promise to be your mommy – I do however promise to teach you how to pass your test, and that is exactly what I do!  As I say on my website I will be your drill instructor – and I WILL teach you how to pass your test.   As you say, my manual and dvd are effective - and I will teach you how to pass the polygraph test – just like I have over 125,000 other people.  

Also if anyone is interested in "the rest of the story", just go to http://www.polygraph.com and click on TESTIMONIALS.  And if do you get my manual and dvd, read the manual at least 4 times as I instruct you to do before you call me with any questions and you may actually find that I am very police and informative.

FYI, the person that started this thread later posted an apology stating that he called me back and that I was very polite and helpful – in fact I talked to him several times after that.  His apology however, was deleted by the administrator.

[Administrator]

FYI, the person that started this thread later posted an apology stating that he called me back and that I was very polite and helpful – in fact I talked to him several times after that.  His apology however, was deleted by the administrator.

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[nonombre]

I will teach you how to pass the polygraph test – just like I have over 125,000 other people.

WOW!  I had no idea Doug Williams has taught 125,000 people to pass a polygraph examination.  GEEZ, just think at $50.00 + a pop, old Doug is undoubtedly a friggin MILLIONAIRRE!  Let's see 125,000 X $50.00 = $6,250.000.00.

Over SIX MILLION bucks!!!

Oh that's right Doug, you ain't in it for the money...

And all those calls!  Let's see, 50 calls X oh let's just say 20 minutes per call (gotta be courteous and listen) equals just about sixteen hours a day.  Okay, that makes sense.  Now we add 150 to 200 e-mails a day and assume you answer just half....

Sorry Doug, now that I do the math, it seems you haven't slept since the invention of the internet (which I guess explains all the coffee....)

Of course, since you clearly have not had the time to spend any of that six million plus, the interest alone must be staggering...

Have you considered a vacation? I hear the Bahamas are nice and they will help you hide your money, which leaves me to my final observation...

I just wonder..

Does the IRS know about all of this?

Your new pal,

Nonombre.

P.S.  Can you spare a little change?

[triple x]

Doug:

Let's be serious... 125, 000 clients/customers, x $50.00 ea, 150 to 200 email messages and 50 phone calls per day.

I certainly can't speak for anyone else, however. Embellishment and/or exaggeration quickly comes' to mind.


triple x

[Fair Chance]

Gentlemen,

Allow Doug a little hyperbole, he is one of the few people who publicly states that the polygraph test can be beaten quite easily and uses his own name.

I have found many "guess" posts to be suspicious over the years and a little skepticism is good.

We welcome your input Doug but try to refrain from any free testimonials (and or possible deceptive postings, we might have to polygraph you) and we will try not to attack on a personal basis.

You have got to admit, some of your numbers do not add up.

Regards.

[George W. Maschke]

Fair Chance,

I think that Doug Williams' misrepresentations on this message board (see link in what is now the first message in this thread) are more than "a little hyperbole" and amount to deceptive marketing.

[Doug Williams]

OK, now that all of you have had your shot at me, let's look at some facts.  I started my crusade against the polygraph in 1979 – it was a three pronged attack; 1. LEGISLATION, 2. LITIGATION, & 3. EDUCATION.

LEGISLATION – I was the one person most responsible for the passage of the Employee Polygraph Protection Act – I didn't say that – the AFL-CIO and the ACLU said that!

LITIGATION – I have testified in numerous state and federal courts against the use of the polygraph.  And I am scheduled to testify again next month.

EDUCATION – This is the basis of my claim that I have taught over 125,000 people to pass their polygraph tests.  I wrote my manual, "HOW TO STING THE POLYGRAPH" almost 30 years ago.  It was included as part of my testimony in the US House of Representatives in the beginning stages of the committee hearings on the Employee Polygraph Protection Act (EPPA) and was included in the "packet" of evidence which I had placed in the Congressional Record.  Part of my education prong was to go on radio and television talking about my manual and the problems with polygraph testing.  I was a guest on over 5,000 radio and a scores of television shows – just go to http://www.polygraph.com and look at the MEDIA section of my website to see just a few of them.  During many of the radio talk shows I pushed for passage of the EPPA and told people that they could get a FREE copy of my manual by simply writing their representative and telling them they supported the EPPA.  The AFL-CIO, the ACLU, and many other organizations also gave away thousands of copies to anyone who asked for them.  Literally tens of thousands of my manuals were distributed during this period.  

I also put on many seminars to various groups – mostly union members.  Often there were literally thousands of people in attendance – and I would demonstrate my technique to members of the audience.  Using my polygraph instrument and the information in my manual I would teach them all how to pass the polygraph.  One session that comes to mind was a police union meeting in Texas where I taught over 2,500 people in one session alone!

Then in 1996, I launched my website http://www.polygraph.com and to date have sold – or given away (I even gave George one) - over 25,000 copies of my manual.

Actually, now that I think about it, 125,000 is a very conservative estimate!

[Gordon H. Barland]

      I'm here to vouch for Doug's bona fides.  I have long believed that his primary motivation in publishing the manual is that he believes the polygraph does more harm than good, and that he is not a Judas selling out his former profession for filthy lucre.

     I have talked with Doug on the phone many times, and, with only one exception, he has always been courteous and helpful.

     When I was developing a 40-hour countermeasure course at what was then the DoD Polygraph Institute, I wanted to include Doug's manual in the handout material for the examiners.  I called Doug to see if I could negotiate a quantity discount rate, as I wanted to distribute several hundred copies within the Federal polygraph community.  As soon as I explained that I wanted to use his manual as part of the curriculum, he immediately and unhesitatingly gave me permission to download the manual, reproduce it, and distribute it to every Federal examiner without any fee whatsoever.  I sent him a written agreement for that, which he promptly signed and returned.  

     I was deeply impressed.  If he were in it for the money, he would never have made that very generous offer.  Even a small fee, multiplied by the hundreds of Federal examiners, would have been a considerable sum.  I am convinced that he, like George and Gino, is acting primarily out of moral convictions rather than greed.

     And just for the record, although many Federal examiners question both Doug's and George's loyalty to America, I have never doubted their patriotism.  I respect both for serving honorably in positions of great trust.

     Now, alas, to end on a sour note.  Although I don't question their motives, I do strongly disagree with what they are doing.  I think the distribution of their manuals does in fact harm the National Defense.  But that's a different issue.

Just thought I'd add my two cents.

Peace.

Gordon H. Barland

[EosJupiter]

Now, alas, to end on a sour note.  Although I don't question their motives, I do strongly disagree with what they are doing.  I think the distribution of their manuals does in fact harm the National Defense.  But that's a different issue.

Just thought I'd add my two cents.

Peace.

Gordon H. Barland

Dr Barland,

I was hoping you would show up again. You are one of the few pro-polygraph folks whose opinion is actually worth something. But I have to argue the point that polygraph knowlege is dangerous to national security. Quite the contrary, I submit that it is the polygraph itself that is the main threat. Currently at our national weapons labs, a majority of the  senior scientists and enginners. Folks we desperately need to maintain our weapons superiority and nuclear know how, are all ready to quit and move on, because of it. Leaving us extremely vulnerable, without that talent. You can't fool highly talented scientists with a pseudo-science.  The US counts on the polygraph to vet those who would have access to government clearances and information. But still spys, have beaten the system and given up the ship, most notable of late is the Phillipino agent in the office of the Vice President. The polygraph eliminates those who would serve for nothing more than a polygraphers hunch that their is deception. And again its just another humans opinion. These polygraph gatekeepers, for lack of a better term, wield there power based on hunch from a bunch of squiggly lines on a computer screen. In a time of war we should be beefing up our teams not eliminating prime candidates because of an opinion. And your efforts to educate your brethern polygraphers on countermeasures, though laudable, lasts in the minds of those attending the polygraph meetings about maybe a day. Yes, I have seen you speak at one of them.  Still the bottom line is, researching the polygraph, understanding the process, and disbelieving in it, is still not illegal or immoral. Whats immoral is the protection it provides bureaucrats with a way out, should another Ames or Hansson happen again. Its the polygrapher that let them slip by. see who will catch the blame. George put it, most elequently, "Rulers are not polygraphed, only the ruled". I do hope you continue to post.

Regards ....