Would my honesty cost me my future job?

[oki]

Hello everyone.

I feel lucky for finding you all and this website. I have this question and hoping to get some responds from those who has a solid and reasonable experience and knowledge on this topic. Thank you all.

I am in the hiring process for PD in bay area. 15 years ago, I had taken two steroid shots with supervision of a pharmacist (not a phsycian) when I was pumping iron, where this particular drug was legal in the country i was live in. Now, in the US they put all the steroids, which I am not defending, into the same basket with heroin and speeds! Having experienced disqualification in preliminary test by FBI for being honest, for using the drug only twice 15 years ago in a foreign country, where drug wasn't even illegal cost me a possible career with FBI, what should I do this time on polygraph test? Try to cheat or tell the truth?

[guest]

Tell the truth.  

[method]

I'm in the hiring process with LAPD, and I was honest. I would be honest.

[Kona]

I would explain the entire situation to the Background Investigator in detail.  At the time of usage you were under the direct supervision of a pharmacist, which in your country of residence was completely legal and normal.  I would also stress that you have never taken steroids in this country, and that those days of augmenting your weightlifting with drugs (legal or not) are certainly over.  

If you lie about this, they will find out during your background investigation, guaranteed.

Good luck.

Kona

[willsal]

I told the truth in my poly and got in trouble for it. I was told that what i did in the past didnt matter and that i should be completely honest.  they wanted to see if i was trust worthy enough to be a deputy and handle a weapon. well i was honest, and i passed my test. when i called later for a psych test date, i was told that i wasnt eligable because one thing that i had done was a criminal act and that i had to talk to my previous employer and to resolve it. they also said that they had to report to my current and former employers the stuff that i admitted to during my exam. i think it's bs that they told me to be honest and then they turn around and tell me that i cant be a deputy, and theyre gonna tell my previous employers of the stuff i did. it looks like i have to get a lawyer to help me out with one situation so that i can maybe pay for what i did and maybe hopefully i wont have to go to jail. the admin guy said that i could once again apply, but what are the chances of them wanting to hire me after i was honest and they know my past? its bs, i dont even know if i want to be a deputy anymore, this experience has really got to me and dont know what to do? any advice?

[ISBS-2]

I told the truth in my poly and got in trouble for it. I was told that what i did in the past didnt matter and that i should be completely honest.  they wanted to see if i was trust worthy enough to be a deputy and handle a weapon. well i was honest, and i passed my test. when i called later for a psych test date, i was told that i wasnt eligable because one thing that i had done was a criminal act and that i had to talk to my previous employer and to resolve it. they also said that they had to report to my current and former employers the stuff that i admitted to during my exam. i think it's bs that they told me to be honest and then they turn around and tell me that i cant be a deputy, and theyre gonna tell my previous employers of the stuff i did. it looks like i have to get a lawyer to help me out with one situation so that i can maybe pay for what i did and maybe hopefully i wont have to go to jail. the admin guy said that i could once again apply, but what are the chances of them wanting to hire me after i was honest and they know my past? its bs, i dont even know if i want to be a deputy anymore, this experience has really got to me and dont know what to do? any advice?

Is this guy for real?  I mean can anyone besides Triple Excrement be this stupid?

[willsal]

Is this guy for real?  I mean can anyone besides Triple Excrement be this stupid?


excuse me for not knowing how polygraph examiners work. you make it sound like you know exactly what you're doing. if that was the case, i dont think you would be on this site, how about instead of giving bs advice, you give some worth while ideas for those of us who are to "nieve" or as you put it "stupid," make yourself usefull, instead of a dead weight that only adds to the burdens after the polygraph.   if i knew then what i know now...

[oki]

Yes. It did!

I was phoned today that the process will be discontinued. (Polygraph test has been cancelled) And I am thanked for being HONEST!

I feel angry, offended and insulted for being treated like if I am a low life drug addict. And I am considering to follow up this by consulting an attorney for filing a discrimination charge if I have to.  Because in my mind and deep of my heart I haven't done anything illegal.

[I-Smell-BS-2]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I do believe they have the right to discriminate against someone who has admitted drug use that violates their employment criteria.

[rcop]

Oki,

     Don't get down on yourself.  You had no choice but to be honest because the agency where you applied would have found out about your prior admission to the FBI.  Getting caught in a lie will definitely preclude you from ever getting hired as a cop.  In California, every department has its own standard re: prior drug use.  For example, LAPD will not accept any prior cocaine use.  Other departments will take prior cocaine use on a case by case basis.  You apparently applied for a department that has zero tolerance for prior steroid use, but not all departments will have that zero tolerance policy.  Keep on trying.  Next time you apply for a job try to find out beforehand about the department's policy re: prior steroid use.  As a example, the Concord P.D. website has an excellent page regarding what is acceptable past drug use for that department.  Alot of cops I know were hired only after being disqualified by another department.  Getting hired is not easy but it is worth it.  Good luck.  

[Kona]

I feel angry, offended and insulted for being treated like if I am a low life drug addict. And I am considering to follow up this by consulting an attorney for filing a discrimination charge if I have to.  Because in my mind and deep of my heart I haven't done anything illegal.

Oki,

You need to get past being angry, offended and insulted, because it's not going to get you anywhere.  Neither is getting a lawyer or filing a discrimination lawsuit.  You did not fall within the acceptable limits of illegal drug usage that the police agency uses as their criteria for hiring recruit officers.  I'm not a lawyer here, but I don't think you have a leg to stand on......

Rcop is right on the money.  In California, every police department has their own criteria for hiring recruit officers, so it would behoove you to do a little research on your target departments.  Go to their websites, or call their recruiting departments and talk to them about your steroid usage, and find out if it is disqualifying or not before you go through all the trouble to apply.  

Good luck.

Kona

[triple x]

Hello everyone.

I feel lucky for finding you all and this website. I have this question and hoping to get some responds from those who has a solid and reasonable experience and knowledge on this topic. Thank you all.

I am in the hiring process for PD in bay area. 15 years ago, I had taken two steroid shots with supervision of a pharmacist (not a phsycian) when I was pumping iron, where this particular drug was legal in the country i was live in. Now, in the US they put all the steroids, which I am not defending, into the same basket with heroin and speeds! Having experienced disqualification in preliminary test by FBI for being honest, for using the drug only twice 15 years ago in a foreign country, where drug wasn't even illegal cost me a possible career with FBI, what should I do this time on polygraph test? Try to cheat or tell the truth?

oki,

I find your post interesting, as you indicated the FBI previously disqualified you for admitting to steroid use [for two injections] 15 years ago.

Anabolic steroids are a Schedule III controlled substance.
Heroin is a Schedule I controlled substance.

See section 812. Schedules of controlled substances. Refer to: http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/agency/csa.htm

Steroids are currently a Schedule III controlled substance, and was officially introduced to the controlled substance act effective Jan 1, 1990.  Prior to 1/1/90, if caught possessing, selling or buying steroids was only a misdemeanor offense, as with a DUI.

On page 14, "Personal Declarations", in the FD-140 FBI Background Application makes clear:

Question:
1) Have you used marijuana during the last 3 years? Yes/no.
2) Have you used marijuana more than 15 times? Yes/no.
3) Have you used an illegal drug or combination of illegal drugs, other than marijuana, more than 5 times? Yes/no.
4) Have you used an illegal drug or combination of illegal drugs, other than marijuana, during the last 10 years? Yes/no.
5) Have you used an illegal drug while employed in a law enforcement or prosecutorial position? Yes/no.
6) Have you used an illegal drug while employed in a position of high-level responsibility or public trust? Yes/no.
7) Have you ever sold illegal drugs? Yes/no. If yes, provide details.
Do you understand that all prospective FBI employees will be required to submit to a urinalysis for drug abuse prior to employment? Yes/no.
9) List all federal agencies and any state or local law enforcement agencies to which you have applied for employment.
10) Has any organization listed in number 9 above investigated, interviewed, tested, or polygraphed you? If so, indicate the name of the agency and the date and type of pre-screening method.
11) Are you now or have you been a member of a foreign or domestic organization, association, movement, group, etc., etc...
12) Have you been a member of a foreign intelligence organization?
13) All information on this application will be investigated.


The FBI should not have disqualified you for admitting to what could be considered "experimental use" of steroids only twice in your entire life. Not to mention, your steroid use was 15 years ago and prior to being added to the controlled substance act.

Is it possible or plausible, that you may have inadvertently admitted to using steroids within the past 3-years, or, more than 15 times total?

I'm familiar with the FBI's drug policy and hiring process. Had your admissions to previous drug use 15 years ago [steroid use, twice] been within the FBI's drug policy criteria as per the FD-140 FBI Background Application, you should not have been disqualified.

This is of course, if the polygraph examiner believed you to be truthful. Please note that I said the polygraph examiner, not the polygraph machine.

Are you certain of the facts referenced per your initial post?



Triple x

[I-Smell-BS-2]

oki,

I find your post interesting, as you indicated the FBI previously disqualified you for admitting to steroid use [for two injections] 15 years ago.

Anabolic steroids are a Schedule III controlled substance.
Heroin is a Schedule I controlled substance.

See section 812. Schedules of controlled substances. Refer to: http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/agency/csa.htm

Steroids are currently a Schedule III controlled substance, and was officially introduced to the controlled substance act effective Jan 1, 1990.  Prior to 1/1/90, if caught possessing, selling or buying steroids was only a misdemeanor offense, as with a DUI.

On page 14, "Personal Declarations", in the FD-140 FBI Background Application makes clear:

Question:
1) Have you used marijuana during the last 3 years? Yes/no.
2) Have you used marijuana more than 15 times? Yes/no.
3) Have you used an illegal drug or combination of illegal drugs, other than marijuana, more than 5 times? Yes/no.
4) Have you used an illegal drug or combination of illegal drugs, other than marijuana, during the last 10 years? Yes/no.
5) Have you used an illegal drug while employed in a law enforcement or prosecutorial position? Yes/no.
6) Have you used an illegal drug while employed in a position of high-level responsibility or public trust? Yes/no.
7) Have you ever sold illegal drugs? Yes/no. If yes, provide details.
Do you understand that all prospective FBI employees will be required to submit to a urinalysis for drug abuse prior to employment? Yes/no.
9) List all federal agencies and any state or local law enforcement agencies to which you have applied for employment.
10) Has any organization listed in number 9 above investigated, interviewed, tested, or polygraphed you? If so, indicate the name of the agency and the date and type of pre-screening method.
11) Are you now or have you been a member of a foreign or domestic organization, association, movement, group, etc., etc...
12) Have you been a member of a foreign intelligence organization?
13) All information on this application will be investigated.


The FBI should not have disqualified you for admitting to what could be considered "experimental use" of steroids only twice in your entire life. Not to mention, your steroid use was 15 years ago and prior to being added to the controlled substance act.

Is it possible or plausible, that you may have inadvertently admitted to using steroids within the past 3-years, or, more than 15 times total?

I'm familiar with the FBI's drug policy and hiring process. Had your admissions to previous drug use 15 years ago [steroid use, twice] been within the FBI's drug policy criteria as per the FD-140 FBI Background Application, you should not have been disqualified.

This is of course, if the polygraph examiner believed you to be truthful. Please note that I said the polygraph examiner, not the polygraph machine.

Are you certain of the facts referenced per your initial post?



Triple x

Well Triple Excrement, it seems like you smell BS too!  How about that.  You are a little slow, but you catch a whif now and then.

[BlackJhack]

Are you still hanging around BS? Your like a shit dangling from my ass that I just can't quite clip off. I can't believe that you don't get tired of smelling shit. Why don't you just stay in the sewer with all of the other polygraph examiners and smell the shit down there. I'm sure you will find more of a variety. By the way, what are the credentials that one must receive to become a professional shit smeller? Must one major in Shitology? Or will a Ass-hole-ology fulfill all the necessary requirements? Please enlighten us...

[I-Smell-BS-2]

Are you still hanging around BS? Your like a shit dangling from my ass that I just can't quite clip off. I can't believe that you don't get tired of smelling shit. Why don't you just stay in the sewer with all of the other polygraph examiners and smell the shit down there. I'm sure you will find more of a variety. By the way, what are the credentials that one must receive to become a professional shit smeller? Must one major in Shitology? Or will a Ass-hole-ology fulfill all the necessary requirements? Please enlighten us...

Yes Black Jackass, I'm still here although George blocked my access from my other isp, so much for his claim of an open board.  But it is no surprise that he is a liar.  As to your question about my studies in "Ass-hole-ology", as a matter of fact I, like George, am getting a PHD, (Piled Higher and Deeper) in bullshit detection.  And people like you, George, and Triple Excrement are giving me all the raw material I need for the lab work.  Keep posting the bullshit, my thesis is almost ready.