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Reply #30 - Jan 7th, 2003 at 6:32pm
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needanswers1111 wrote on Jan 7th, 2003 at 7:02am:
Can a person take a lawyer with them to the polygraph test?


If this question is with regard to a polygraph interrogation that is administered as a special condition of probation, your best bet might be to arrange a meeting between you, your attorney, and your PO.
  

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Reply #31 - Jan 8th, 2003 at 3:00am
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My po and lawyer meet all the time.  He doesn't want the test done but she does.  It's a hugh battle and I don't know who will win, but from the sounds of everything I've been reading, it sounds like the test will be done and I will be out more and more money.  It's all about money, if not for the test than for the attorney.  I wasn't supose to have to move out of my home either as the condition of probation, but the po said no one could counsel me if I was living in the house, back to court and she won that round. Will she win the next round too?  The more you fight for what rights you are supose to have the more you loose.
  
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Reply #32 - Jul 13th, 2003 at 9:20am
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Hello;

  I am in the same boat.  Just in the state of Geogia.  I have never been Convicted.  But the because I was falsely arrested for child molestation the Department Of Family and Children Services can force me to take a Sexaul History Polygraph.  If I do not pass by there standards I loose my children for good.  The trouble is test is looking for someone they feel is a preditor.  They are trying to prove me a preditor so they will read the test as I am a preditor.
  I trouble is not all sex crimes or arrests are preditor driven.  Many young girls"I.E. Teenage girls"are out looking for older guys.  This is most the arrests in the U.S.  No sex with little children but with girls between 15 and 17.  Why because it is a money cow just like polygraphing.  The next group of arrests come from fights between a mother and father.  How do you thank this fight turns out when one parent or the other plants a thought or story in a young childs mind.  Truth is preditors do live in sociaty but are less then you thank.  To keep the money and funding flowing they have to keep the numbers up.  The info I now share can be looked up.  It is a matter of public record.  Look at the public arrest records..They will shock you; they did me.
  Now with the polygraph they can up that number again.  Even though you can not use it in court; it still is a powerful weapon to get u to plea for a lesser charge.  If you do you are now a sexual preditor for life.  If you do go to court,  even if the truth is in your corner it comes down to popular fear-and in the eyes of most people, we are under attack by sick'o perditors.  So most people loose no matter how good a deffence they have.  The bottom line is money and keep the public in fear.
  Since I lost my children to DFCS, I have used all the resorces I have to study this.  I am a soldier fighting for peoples rights.  Now after over 13 years I'm starting to loose faith in what I have held so dear and close to my heart.  I would at one time die for thoughs same rights, God knows I cry for my children and pray someone will find a way to bring rights back that are slowly flow out of our Socialty.
  My daughter is 5 and comes from a family she was never hurt in...In her second foster home she was abused.  It about destroyed my wife, there was nothing we could do to protect here.  The worst part was the Foster parents where never punished, DFCS just let it go.  But me I was falsely arrested and I have proved that; but I must take there polygraph to get my kids back. 
  Thank you and God Bless.
  
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Reply #33 - Jul 15th, 2003 at 11:12am
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I posted about a year ago in reference to my second maintainance poly....and I failed it...and I didn't lie.  I just took my 3rd maintaince poly and was told I failed it, even tho I know I couldn't have.   There was no stim test.  Several non-revelant questions.  There were 2 possible control questions...it wasn't clear cut.  1.  Have  you any pornography in your possession? 2.  Have you lied to your probation officer.  Since possession of porn is undesireable, but not illegal, this is the que. I assumed was meant for control.  After the test I was grilled, humiliated, degraded for over an hour.  I honestly didn't lie about anything, but he wasn't giving up until he had something.  I finally told him I thought I might have a magazine at home (which I don't).  I was so emotional.  I didn't want to give him the satisfaction of knowing he broke me down.  He was a pitbull.  I cried for 3 hours after the test...even tho I expected it to be bad.  He would ask me a question then when I would start to answer it he would tell me to shut up.  He wanted to assert his dominance and by the time I left I was a whooped puppie.  What was I to do.  He also accused me of making statements to the last polygrapher which were absolutely straight out lies.  When I said I never said those things he asked me if I thought he was stupid?  Oh everyone but you is lying..who are they going to believe?  You should be in prison.   Do these guys travel all over Texas and administer these polys?  Someone said they were from Austin but I am in Houston.   My PO was visibly disturbed on how distraught I was...he knows I am physically disabled and also being treated for post traumatic stress, borderline personality, and bipolar.  Apparently my meds and therapy is working tho because usually under that much stress in the past I have attempted suicide or at the least self mutilation.  I controlled it this time, altho I wanted to so bad.  Thanks for letting me vent. 

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Re: Texas sex offender & mandatory polygraph
Reply #34 - Jul 15th, 2003 at 3:41pm
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I believe possession of porn by a convicted SO is a violation of probation/parole in Texas. It can, and probably will, cause you to serve your time if proved.

I LEO polygrapher can legally grill you, like you described (if you agreed to a polygraph), attempting to get a confession, but a private polygrapher cannot. His only legal action is to deem you DI, NDI or inconclusive and make a report of his findings to your PO. Now, if your test shows DI, your PO can involve the police and they can treat you about any way they want, excluding physical, but including searching your home, car, etc. without a warrant.

You should NEVER make a false confession. That's lieing. However, if you possess porn, I assure you they WILL find it and off you go. I will add "rightly so".

If your polygrapher was in the private ranks, then you should charge him with verbal battery and sue for damages.
  
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Reply #35 - Jul 15th, 2003 at 5:39pm
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I sense rationalization creeping into your story.  You're either blowing smoke or not telling the whole story.  I agree that DCFS organizations nationwide are sometimes over zealous; however, you're now involved in something totally different with the "sexual history polygraph."  I suspect you've already pled to something somewhere along the line. Wink
  
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Reply #36 - Jul 21st, 2003 at 12:50am
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Hey antiman, I'm sort of in the same boat as you. I was charged with assaulting a police officer, it was my first offense ever, and the officer wrote a completely bogus report that was completely a set-up to insure I did not receive a plea bargain short of the crime. It is almost laughable to read the things he said and nearly impossible to imagine anyone actually believing all of those things, but as you said It really doesnt matter, people take the word of police officers above all else, no matter how corrupt they are or how much they let personal thoughts and emotions guide their reports. I am now on probation, about 5 months now, I have 2 yrs to do. My P.O. is exactly the kind of person you described. Shes female treats me like im garbage, jokes about how im a felon, I can see the hate in her eyes when she looks at me no matter how friendly I am or how much I try to show her that I'm following my probation requirements to a T. I posted earlier in a different post but ill re-explain, im in Washington State and have a polygraph in a coupl weeks, now from what I hear they arent admissable in probation violation hearings, but my public defender (pretender) told me that evidence is lax in violation hearings. So what should i expect should i fail the test or have it come back inconclusive? I'm guessing she'll try to get me to sign a probation-agreement thing that will force me to take alcohol classes and probably some more community services, or will she try to get me on a violation? And if I do go to court on a violation, what is the likely outcome, assuming I've done all my community service and made necessary payments etc? Also, should I fail the test, will I be arrested on the spot and forced to sit in county jail till the hearing or what? I really cant miss classes and whatnot, I just want to hear everything I can from someone who has experience with small time probation and having a P.O. intent on making my two (+) years of probation the most miserable time of my life. I already spend every night thinking about possible jail time and thinking about having to drop out of college becuz ill be in jail. It's such a scary feeling to not know what is going to happen to you. Anything you can tell me would be great man, thanks alot.
  
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Re: Texas sex offender & mandatory polygraph
Reply #37 - Jul 21st, 2003 at 1:49am
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Dude,
Your a fool not to check out the "Sting" method.
Using this method will ensure you pass the polygraph and any future ones.
I love my polygraph tests now.  I imagine the polygrapher is a chimpanzee sitting there asking me those questions.
When I pass I laugh at him and he thinks I am laughing because I am happy.
what an idiot.
  
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Reply #38 - Jul 21st, 2003 at 3:57am
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You're on the road to a long hard life.  You obviously haven't accepted responsibility for your initial offense.  Sounds like the whole world's out to get you.  What a whiner.  I suspect you'll violate your probation (probably already have since you're on this site) and end up back in some form of incarceration. 

Okieboy

You're a clown.  Probably Doug Williams trying to steer some fools over to his site to buy his idiotic book.  You write much like him.  The thing that get's me is that you anti poly folks bitch about polygraph examiner's making money and then you knuckle heads go over to Doug's site and spend around $50 for garbage.
  
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Reply #39 - Jul 21st, 2003 at 4:33am
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Saidme wrote on Jul 21st, 2003 at 3:57am:
Sam

You're on the road to a long hard life.  You obviously haven't accepted responsibility for your initial offense.  Sounds like the whole world's out to get you.  What a whiner.  I suspect you'll violate your probation (probably already have since you're on this site) and end up back in some form of incarceration.  


Yeah that could be true, or maybe just maybe some of the things people talk about on here actually do happen. How about opening your mind and thinking hey maybe this could have happened to someone. Maybe all cops arent the honest smiling heroes they'd like you to think they are?


  
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Reply #40 - Jul 21st, 2003 at 4:45am
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I'm sure we're all aware of cops gone awry but until you look in the mirror and like what you see, you've got a tough row to hoe.  You need to (in the words of suethem) step to the plate and take big ole heaping of responsibility, lightly season it with humility and get your head out of your *&&^.  I should have gone to chef school.   Wink
  
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Reply #41 - Jul 28th, 2003 at 9:31pm
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Saidme,
Yes, I'm a clown because I have seen through the lies and bullshit that are the Polygraph test and have beat them.  This scares you, because it prooves something you hold dear is an absolute lie and now you think that maybe all of your right-wing, christian coalition, extremist views might be false also.
Do us a favor and go find some neo-nazi, right wing website and post there with your friends and leave this place to people with the ability to think rationally.
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Reply #42 - Jul 28th, 2003 at 11:19pm
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Hey dipshit, you wrote: 

"right-wing, christian coalition, extremist views might be false also. "

Where the hell did you come up with those?  You sound like you're on the edge.  Jump!
  
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Reply #43 - Jul 29th, 2003 at 12:05am
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Okieboy sure hates conservatives, that could be because of the increased pressure conservative organizations have put on states to increase penalties for sexual deviance & child molestation.

We already know he has commented a sex crime, my question is, was it a little boy or girl?

Maybe Okieboy will someday tell us... ???
  
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Reply #44 - Jul 29th, 2003 at 2:26am
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Thanks for clarifying the situation.  Maybe we should all join NAMBLA and throw out all of our values.  I'm sorry but I can no longer converse with a child molester, unless it's in a post-test interview.  Okieperv, I'm sure you can get the ACLU to join your little party. Wink
  
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