Doug Williams Polygraph Trial Discussion Thread

[George W. Maschke]

And to those of you fools who threw good money away buying his junk or taking his personal training, we will ferret you out and deal with you appropriately.

What, in your view, is the appropriate way to deal with persons who have purchased Doug Williams' manual/video?

[Ex Member]

I need a title.Anysuggestions? 

How about: "The Inane Rambling of an Eddy Haskell Wannabe and his Stillborn Humor"

[Uncle Jed]

Okay quickfix,  I'll bite: 

How about the title:  LIFESTYLES OF THE INFAMOUS AND IMPRISONED !!

[quickfix]

How about: "The Inane Rambling of an Eddy Haskell Wannabe and his Stillborn Humor" 

Now that's funny.  Will take it under advisement.

What, in your view, is the appropriate way to deal with persons who have purchased Doug Williams' manual/video? 

I refer to those who did so as applicants for federal law enforcement positions (names obtained from Doug's records).  I'm also aware that the names are of interest to the intell community and those who applied for local/state law enforcement jobs.  What would be appropriate?  How about conspiracy to commit fraud, attempting to obtain federal employment through deception?  I like those for starters.

[George W. Maschke]

How about conspiracy to commit fraud, attempting to obtain federal employment through deception?I like those for starters. 

It seems to me that the mere fact that someone purchased Doug Williams' manual and/or DVD doesn't establish any conspiracy to commit fraud or any attempt to obtain federal employment through deception. Evidently DOJ agrees: it seems that more than two years after federal agents seized Williams' business records, none of his thousands of customers have been criminally prosecuted for having purchased his instructional materials.

[Wandersmann]

Is it fraud to protect oneself against being falsely condemned by an instrument proven to be inaccurate ?  Wouldn't you have to prove that the applicants were hiding something illegal before you accused them of any type of fraud ? Polygraph examiners are the ones committing fraud.  They should be prosecuted.  If this society is going to embrace the polygraph then I say let's polygraph everybody.  I think lawyers (including Oklahoma prosecutors) should be required to pass a polygraph exam to maintain their licenses.  After all, there is no right to bar association membership. 

[quickfix]

Is it fraud to protect oneself against being falsely condemned by an instrument proven to be inaccurate ?

Proven by whom?  Someone's opinion?  Opinions are like assholes.Everybody has one.

Wouldn't you have to prove that the applicants were hiding something illegal before you accused them of any type of fraud ?

Someone who applies for a position requiring a polygraph exams, then obtains a "how to" book on engaging in countermeasures certainly appears to be attempting to engage in fraudulent behavior by trying to cheat their way through the polygraph process, thus gaining employment through fraud.

If this society is going to embrace the polygraph then I say let's polygraph everybody.

Not everyone applies for employment in the CIA/NSA/FBI, or is a criminal suspect.  You want the job?  Take the polygraph.  Take it honestly, answer truthfully, and there's no reason you can't successfully complete the process.  Don't want to?  Don't take it.  It's a voluntary process, and there is no shortage of applicants willing to do so.  You're welcome to seek employment elsewhere.  Ever drive past the parking lots of NSA, CIA?  Lots of cars!  Who are all these people?  They're folks who did take their polygraphs honestly and got hired.  So when someone buys the book/CD from Doug the cockroach to prepare for the polygraph, they shouldn't complain when they get caught and get a foot in the ass out the door.  Ya pays yer money, ya takes yer chances.

[Joe McCarthy]

Just curious, is anyone planing to get the court reporter's record of what there was of a trial?  Post that and let everyone decide on their own. 

This seems the most fair thing to do rather than to commentary about what we speculate what happened.

Just spitballing

[Ex Member]

To get court recorder transcripts, one must pay. I had done this and it's not cheap.

[Joe McCarthy]

It was just a thought. 

[not him]

So why did Doug change his plea to Guilty?

[George W. Maschke]

GoDaddy.com indicates that the domain name Polygraph.com is up for auction, with a minimum bid of $65,000. Alternatively, it can be purchased outright for $100,000:

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[pailryder]

So why did Doug change his plea to Guilty? 

Because, according to what he told the judge, he was.

[George W. Maschke]

The domain Polygraph.com is no longer up for auction:

https://auctions.godaddy.com/trpItemListing.aspx?miid=%20+%20166080770

[George W. Maschke]

Yesterday I was a guest on the Scott Horton Show:

http://scotthorton.org/interviews/2015/05/27/52715-george-maschke/