military history (NYPD)

[savagebanger]

While deployed in Iraq I had recieved a field grade article 15 for calling one of my CPL's a pu$$y during a verbal altercation. I was fined $1,000 and the charge was disrespecting a junior non-commissioned officer. At the time I was a specialist and he was a corpral same grade but different rank. Since I came back home from Iraq, Ive been looking towards LE. I reviewed some of the background information and one of the questions asked if I have ever recieved UCMJ action. The thing is the article 15 paperwork isn't in my files anywhere. Its like it never happened, Im searching everywhere for it and It looks like it just vanished. There is no record of it anywhere! What should I do? Is this grounds for a DQ? Should I just tell them about even though Im an honrable discharge and theres no record of disciplinary action?

[Sergeant1107]

While deployed in Iraq I had recieved a field grade article 15 for calling one of my CPL's a pu$$y during a verbal altercation. I was fined $1,000 and the charge was disrespecting a junior non-commissioned officer. At the time I was a specialist and he was a corpral same grade but different rank. Since I came back home from Iraq, Ive been looking towards LE. I reviewed some of the background information and one of the questions asked if I have ever recieved UCMJ action. The thing is the article 15 paperwork isn't in my files anywhere. Its like it never happened, Im searching everywhere for it and It looks like it just vanished. There is no record of it anywhere! What should I do? Is this grounds for a DQ? Should I just tell them about even though Im an honrable discharge and theres no record of disciplinary action?

Yes, you need to tell your background investigator about it.

When asked about any trouble you have been in, they expect you to tell them about everything, not about the things you think they might find out anyway.

An article 15 is non-judicial punishment and is not that serious.  I had a company grade article 15 when I was in the army and it didn't even cause a hiccup in my background investigation.  

A court-martial would be likely to disqualify an applicant.  A single article 15 would almost certainly not disqualify anyone.

[savagebanger]

Cool I was really worried! One of my buddies was DQ'ed but it was because he had atleast 2 or 3 article 15's for fighting a senior nco atleast 2 times in his tenure.

[dimas]

I have to agree that I really do not see this keeping you out.  People mess up!  come forth with it.  Tell them how you learned that it definitely was not the proper way to go about taking care of a situation and you have matured since then.  

[DippityShurff]

Tell them about the article 15. I too was hauled before my Bn Cmdr after I slugged a Cpt. (I was less than a Cpt).  It remained non-judicial and I came clean about it when I entered LE.  I also had some rather glowing (not forged) OER's to back up the fact that I was a decent sort.  Plus, it was in VN a hundred years ago, and the rules were somewhat different than they were Stateside.  I was honest, it drew a laugh from my BI and was not a DQ.

Good luck.

[DippityShurff]

I have to agree that I really do not see this keeping you out.  People mess up!  come forth with it.  Tell them how you learned that it definitely was not the proper way to go about taking care of a situation and you have matured since then.  

Dimas,

I think I used something close to those very words when I explained mine LOL

Be safe

[savagebanger]

Sometimes it seems to me that they use these articles against good people for the wrong reasons!