Opinions Please...

[Saidme]

George

The writer of that letter discusses many things Renzelman did but doesn't elaborate on details.  The fact he accused someone of CM's hardly warrants the term disgrace.  That would then label every polygraph examiner as disgraceful.  Is that what you're trying to do?  I would agree that discussing a specific examinee's polygraph outside of the office is inappropriate but I would have to hear the conversation before I could make a judgement on it.  If there's more to the story then I would need to see it before placing the big D word on him.  If you have additional info maybe you should share it with us.  Just wanted to be fair to the guy.

[Anonymous]

Saidme,

You write in part:

...The fact he accused someone of CM's hardly warrants the term disgrace.  That would then label every polygraph examiner as disgraceful...

Those who perform counterintelligence-type polygraph screening are performing no less (or should I say no more) than voodoo--quackery that has no scientific underpinnings, no theoretical basis, and has allowed major spies to continue their nefarious activities, never revealed a spy, and injured numerous innocent examinees  (many of whom have chronicled their experiences over the past few years on this site.  I would maintain that those who conduct such exams are clearly blameworthy...they are either willfully ignorant, in disgrace (don't care about the damage they cause), or are cowardly (afraid to tell their employers of the inherent weaknesses and dangers of what they do for a living).

[DRUGSAREBAD]

Sorry to counterhijack this already hijacked thread (still following me...good:) ). I was wondering (from past experiences) typically how long does it take before a police department gets back to you after you have completed the polygraph? Is there a whole overall evaluation thing done or is the poly examiner's report taken literally and then they decide? It has only been a week since my poly and I was just wondering so as to not seem like an eager pest when I call HR Monday. Any insights? :-/

Thanks
DAB

[Saidme]

Anonymous

I really get tired of hearing the same whine from you guys.  Tell me how you know polygraph has never uncovered a spy or espionage.  Do you think that every spy and espionage case ends up on the front page of the Chicago Tribune?  I can say with good confidence polygraph has indeed uncovered espionage cases in the US.  You sound like another George M who failed his CSP.

Drugsarebad

I know it was a while ago but you stated in your earlier thread the examiner showed you the stim chart and you said "there was no indication of you lying" although you did.  Did you evaluate the chart?  Did the examiner tell you there was no indication you were lying?  Just curious because the average examinee doesn't have chart evaluation experience.

[Anonymous]

Saidme,

Feel free to enlighten us with what espionage matter was uncovered with a polygraph exam.  Don't make the mistake you usually do by not reading before you comment...much has been discussed over the last few years on this message board and much of the polygraph community's claims regarding this topic have been previously debunked.  That having been said, again, feel free to enlighten us...give it your best shot...

[orolan]

I can say with good confidence polygraph has indeed uncovered espionage cases in the US.

Care to elaborate? Or would you have have to kill us all after divulging these national security issues?

If what you're saying is true, it would imply that the 3-letter agencies want to let the public know every time they screw up, but keep things quiet when they get it right. Doesn't sound like any government agency I've ever had to deal with.

[DRUGSAREBAD]

Again sorry to hijack the thread...

I called HR today to check up on my polygraph results and the lady told me that the next step for me was the BI and that I should sit tight and wait to be contacted by an investigator if I am selected. She said it could be at anytime but if I am not hired by May of 2004 to call them and reapply.   Any insight as to what just happened? I am guessing it is good news but at the same time I am not sure what to make out of the conversation. I guess that's the whole hurry up and wait game. Any opinions? Please feel free, I am open to any.  :-/

[Public Servant]

DRUGSAREBAD,

Sounds to me like you passed the exam.  Everything I heard from your previous posts and the fact that you're moving on in the process tells me you did fine.

Orolan,

If what you're saying is true, it would imply that the 3-letter agencies want to let the public know every time they screw up, but keep things quiet when they get it right. Doesn't sound like any government agency I've ever had to deal with.

Sounds like every government (national security or LE) agency to me.  They don't intend to publicize anything, victories or failures. But we hold our government accountable, so it's hard to keep the failures under wraps.  

Take the war on terrorism for example.  Do you think successful attacks are the only ones that were ever planned; or do you believe your government might have thwarted many more?