Texas sex offender & mandatory polygraph

[orolan]

Peter Fonda,
Okieboy's politics would definitely seem to be quite a bit to the left of center. But a child molester I think not. I believe he has pointed out in at least three of his early posts that his conviction was for committing an indecent exposure while in the midst of a drunken binge. Having been drunk before (as I'm sure you have, too), I don't doubt that Okieboy merely chose the wrong place and time to relieve himself of some beer. Of course, that's what he says, and we don't know that it is true. But just as you expect others on this board to believe your account of you "domestic violence" conviction, don't you think you should reciprocate by accepting their word about their convictions Lets leave the conclusion jumping to the polygraphers

Saidme,
NAMBLA
You don't read the paper or watch the news (judging by your oft used phrase "I don't know anything about that" when a case in the news is mentioned) and you polygraph suspected criminals accused of a specific crime. Belonging to NAMBLA is not illegal, so it wouldn't be a question you would ask.
So how do you know it exists and what it is for
Perhaps you're already a member :-/
Oops There I go, jumping to conclusions like a polygrapher

[Saidme]

Knucklehead

Any good investigator is well aware of Nambla and there goals.  And although it's not illegal to belong to such a group it sure is an indicator of past and future behavior.  I noticed you didn't ask what it stood for.  Are you a card carrying member?

[orolan]

Sayswho,
Quite often you have commented on my knowledge of sex offenses and the psychology of those persons committing them. So of course it stands to reason that I know what NAMBLA is. Any good investigator would be able to discern that
And no, I'm not a card carrying member of that organization.

[OkieBoy]

>>>We already know he has commented a sex crime, my question is, was it a little boy or girl?

What a sicko, having deviant fantasies of this sort!!??
You need help peterfonda!
The fact is....my "victim" was a drunken sorority sister.
And as of next month I have no victim....I'm off probation and its erased off of my record.
I was the one made a victim, when I had to sit through weekly torture sessions and listen to old men talk about how they molested their granddaughters.
I was the one made to undergo Polygraph interrogaton for a drunken mistake.

Siadme, don't pretend your not a right wing wacko!
Your thinking betrays you, reveals you for the idiot you are.
Your kind tends to generalize....it is easier than actual thinking.  You make statements like, "all blacks are lazy, all arabs are terrorists, and all sex-offenders are child molesters".
I hate to break it to you but there are people in sex-offender therapy and taking polygraph tests for making out with a lover in their car, there are people there for pissing in a public place, there are people there for groping someones butt when they were too drunk to remember it.
And according to you all these people should be executed.
Do us a favor freak.
Go to hell....your hero Hilter is waiting for you.

-OkieBoy

[PeterFonda]

Okieboy,
 
I owe you apology for jumping to a conclusion about your crime, or lack of. I did not do my homework as
Orolan pointed out and read your earlier posts. I assumed from your defensive postings that you were in fact
one of "them". Again sorry for the unfounded accusation.
 
Under your circumstances, being placed in group setting with the TRUE SCUM of the world, would be too
much for me to bear, it must have been horrible.  
 
I also was placed in a group setting, with woman beaters, when I have or would never touch a woman in a
way to harm or control. This was a cake walk compared to your case.
 
I do however, feel you are way out of line with that Right Wing Crap, Hitler? All blacks are lazy? Everyone
that disagrees with you is the Anti-Christ...Okieboy..Please!
 
I do not believe cases like yours should not be sex crimes, but I am sure you would agree if it had been an
intentional act, in front of woman or children, it would merit classification as a Sex Crime.
 
 
Peter

[OkieBoy]

Peter,
Apology accepted.  Sorry I vented on you so hard.
I sucks to get grouped in with rapists and child molesters!  People don't give me a chance, jobs don't give me a chance, women don't give me a chance.  
Guess what law passed where I live?  Sex Offenders (ALL sex offenders) are no longer allowed to visit public parks or go within 300 feet of them.  Nor are sex offenders (ALL sex offenders regardless of crime) allowed to live in a house or apartment or mobile home within 2,000 yards of a public or private school or daycare.
In my city this limits the entire area to only a few blocks where sex offenders can live in.  By November if we haven't all moved out and into those areas or out of the city they will start writing tickets.  The first ticket is a $3,000 dollar fine and a misdemeanor and the second ticket is a felony and jail time.
I'm glad I'm off probation next month and this shit gets wiped off my record!!!
I really feel sorry, though for one guy in my therapy group who ran a pornography server.  Someone sent him pictures of a little girl and he didn't even open the e-mail.  He took his computer to Radio Shack to get worked on and they opened the e-mail and called the police.  This guy has two years of probation left and it isn't getting taken off of his record.
He is passing the polygraph tests and doesn't know about the Sting Method, though I told him if he ever has trouble with the tests to let me know that I could help him.
And just to let you know, I would never EVER tell one of the guys convicted of child molesting or rape about the STING method.  Even though the polygraph is a bogus lie I want those guys to suffer.  It seems that most of them don't want to change and end up re-offending, although I know that some of them do change.
-Okieboy

[PeterFonda]

Okieboy,

Thanks for the comments, and I am truly glad to hear that you will be out of the system shortly, back on to hopefully a real bright future. But I must leave you with a little warning.

I told you I was convicted of Domestic Violence, what I did not tell you is that I was ordered to serve 30 days of work release.

For some reason our county places work release prisoners in mellow areas of the jail, still of the highest security though. This area also houses the sex offenders. I met quite of few of them, not at all like other prisoners, very nice, quiet and most facing huge amounts of hard time.

The one thing they initially all had in common was they were completely innocent. I really felt bad for some of them, you know, an innocent person being accused of child abuse.  Anyway, by the time I had finished my jail sentence the stories changed.

One guy who swore up and down that this was a horrible mistake, told me on my last day and his second court apperance that the real blame should be on the 8 year old slut he was baby sitting. She moved his hand on to her crotch when he was sleeping, when he "awakened" he was shocked to find his hand were it had been "placed". Of course a logical mind would wonder why he was sleeping with an 8 year old.

Anyway, be careful of the innocent guys from group. The last thing you need is to be dragged into another case by association.

Have a great night,

Peter

[texaswife]

      I have SO MUCH I would like to say about Texas, it's "sex offender" laws, "sex offender" probation, etc., etc. but I won't take much of your time. What I will say is that Texas is performing a WITCH HUNT on so-called sex offenders. My husband is facing prison time for something I know he didn't do. I was there the entire weekend, but regardless, let's just say that in the state of Texas (and others, I'm sure) they want to set their probationers up to fail. A polygrapher by the name of JOHN SCHWARTZ (sp?) is nothing more than a dirty, rotten, lying bastard hired by the courts of Harris County to perform these routine and RIDICULOUS exams on probationers. WHATEVER HAPPENED TO OUR CIVIL RIGHTS?  I won't go into much more detail. I don't want to cause any more problems for my husband but where does this all end? All it takes are three words from one person to ruin another person's life. (And possibly the lives of others such as their family)... Those three words are "He/She touched me... whatever whatever. Basically, it comes down to "GUILTY UNTIL PROVEN INNOCENT IN THE STATE OF TEXAS." I have much opinion on this whole subject to voice, and you can bet I intend to do it SOON!!!!  But for now, I need to rest. My husband is due in court tomorrow...

By the way, if you don't live in Texas now, DON'T move here!!!!  (I'll be moving ASAP!!!)      

[triple x]

Texaswife,

I'm definitely no expert in sexual predator/offender case law. However, I'm relatively certain that various other states also have strict sexual offender laws on the books.

If your husband was accused of, and more importantly, "convicted" of a sexual offender/predator related offense in another state, I'm certain that you would feel the same way about that particular state...

Case in point:
Would the state in question really change the way you feel? For example, if your husband were accused of the same offense in CA, would you then advise people against moving to CA.?



V/R
Triple x

[texaswife]

Not necessarily. The judicial system in every other 49 states may be just as bad. I do feel that now it is guilty until proven innocent in the US period. In fact, we're not only leaving Texas but the US. Canada is a beautiful place and I think my children would love it there. We have nothing keeping us in Texas or anywhere else for that matter. Twenty-one months and counting.....
 

[triple x]

texaswife,

I recently returned from a 180-day tour in Iraq. Personally, I wouldn't live any place else than the good old USA...!

Good luck in Canada.


Hooah!

triple x

[Amanda Easton]

I want everyone to know that my husband is in prison as a sex offender.  He did his offense when he was 17 and the was told a lie about a girls age.  She was shy for the age of 14.  So he was on probation ofr 6 years then the State forgot to do his last poly and so they eextended him then did his poly and passed but failed in the since that he told them that he was around my kids with my for 5 min one time.  They revoked him on that and now he is prison.  What crap is that.  I dislike this state.  

[willy]

See Chapters 3 & 4 of The Lie Behind the Lie Detector to learn about the trickery on which these "tests" rely and how to pass them.

Okay George...helping convicted sex offenders is the lowest I have ever seen you go...

[George W. Maschke]

Willy,

That which is truly low is that the polygraph community, in its greed, falsely represents polygraphy as a valid method for the detection of deception and promotes its use for the post-conviction supervision of a population that includes some of society's most dangerous criminals.

Because polygraphy has no scientific basis, persons in post conviction polygraph screening programs who are abiding by the terms of their probation or parole face a serious risk of being falsely accused of deception, and it is because of this fact that I was willing to reply to Kansas' question.

All should be aware that information about polygraph procedure and countermeasures has long been in the public domain and readily available to any who seek it. I didn't make it up, and without AntiPolygraph.org it would still be available. Regarding the ethics of making such information available to the public, see my article, "A Response to Paul M. Menges Regarding the Ethical Considerations of Providing Polygraph Countermeasures to the Public".

In view of the fact that polygraph screening 1) has no scientific basis and 2) is easily defeated through the use of countermeasures that polygraphers cannot reliably detect, your outrage should properly be directed at those who have advocated the insane notion that polygraph screening is an appropriate way to monitor convicted sex offenders.

[dallascounty]

This is the first time i'm posting a message on this site.

I have been on probation for over 3 years now and have passed all my polygraph.  Recently, I took a polygraph and the results were "inconclusive" therefore i had to retake the test again and the result from the second polygraphs was inconclusive, so i was offered a third polygraph.  Unfortunately all three polygraph were inconclusive.  Now my probation officer thinks i'm deceptive and hiding stuff from both her and the polygraph examiner.  She has referred the case to her supervisor and now i dont know what actions will be taken against me.  

I want to ask the experts in here if they can help me with these three questions.  I have not comminted any new crimes nor have i violated any of my terms and conditions.

1.  Can a "deceptive" or "inconclusive" polygraph result alone constitute a violation of supervision?
2.  Can a Polygraph examination results and conclusions determine if a violation of supervision has occured and on that basis, can the probation officer request for revocation?
3.  Can a Polygraph examinations results be relied on as evidence of truth or deception if no new crime is reported, and be asserted as proof of any matter of inquiry by the examination in any proceeding. This includes a revocation proceeding or a court review?

Any help is appreciated.