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Pail-O-Shit -  that is pure unadulterated bullshit and you know it. You thugs administer polygraph tests for one reason and one reason only – to unjustly enrich yourselves.

Gee, just like YOU did-until you got caught.  The only difference is we are not convicted felons like you.

[Doug Williams]

Pail-O-Shit -  that is pure unadulterated bullshit and you know it. You thugs administer polygraph tests for one reason and one reason only – to unjustly enrich yourselves.

Gee, just like YOU did-until you got caught.  The only difference is we are not convicted felons like you.

No Pail-O-Shit - what you do is not at all like what I did, but at least you are admitting that the only reason you run polygraph tests is to unjustly enrich yourself.  So, I think we're making some progress here. Try to keep being honest -  at least as much as you can - and maybe we can help you see the light and turn from your evil ways.

[John M.]

To protect the truthful employee's jobs by removing them from the suspect pool.

And what about the false positives?  Even worse, what about the false negatives?  The Reality Winners, the Edward Snowdens, or the Aldrich Ames's?

I know, I know, you have to break a few eggs to make an omelette.

A false sense of security and abuse of the innocent.

[pailryder]

John M

The individuals you named took compelled government polygraphs.  My post concerns only private business polygraph testing under the Employee Polygraph Protection Act of 1988.

[Ex Member]

I was under the impression that this was a public message board.

That doesn't mean that it's appropriate for someone to boorishly impose themselves on every post.

[Ex Member]

I wrote my PhD thesis on lie detection, critically engaging with the scientific account and with the social history of the polygraph's use.

Thanks for the details Andy. Did your research reveal the polygraph to have the ability to detect deception above chance? What other methods of lie detection did you research?

[Ex Member]

As I see it, here's the bottom line: Even with the statistical contortions afforded by Bayes' Theorem, polygraph "testing" is still a SWAG -- a Scientific Wild-Ass Guess.
                   

There exist two interpretations on Bayesian probability.

Interpreting probability as extension of logic, probability quantifies the reasonable expectation that everyone sharing the same knowledge would share in accordance with the rules of Bayesian statistics, which is supported by Cox's theorem.

The probability corresponds to what someone believes to be true within certain constraints. These constraints are allowed according to decision theory.

These variations of Bayesian probability differ according to how they are interpreted as well as the determination of the prior probability.

How this prior probablity is established would be the key.

[Dan Mangan]

The probability corresponds to what someone believes to be true within certain constraints.

What someone believes to be true?

Sounds like a scientific wild-ass guess on top of another scientific wild-ass guess.

Or, to put it another way, given that the Bayes Theorem component is largely belief driven, that makes the polygraph process all the more a "faith-based science".

[Doug Williams]

The probability corresponds to what someone believes to be true within certain constraints.

What someone believes to be true?

Sounds like a scientific wild-ass guess on top of another scientific wild-ass guess.

Or, to put it another way, given that the Bayes Theorem component is largely belief driven, that makes the polygraph process all the more a "faith-based science".

Ark and Dan – let's quit bandying words about and just tell it like it is.  There is no such thing as a "lying reaction"!  Therefore, there is no such thing as a "lie detector"! What the polygraph measures is nervousness or what's known as the fight or flight response. So all this talk about theories is nothing but bullshit. The polygraph is a joke – a sick joke. And we need to stop buying into the polygraph operators' propaganda  because it is nothing but BULLSHIT!

[John M.]

You'd better watch it Dan, or he'll tell you to shut up too.  He can't handle the truth - and he doesn't want anyone else to know the truth either.

Probability is inherently probabilistic.

Where I have the problem, is when senior officials decide to take unfavorable actions against someone based solely on the probability that they did, or are likely to do "something."

Were you aware that there are DOD regulations that explicitly prohibit that very sort of abuse from happening.

What's more, Doctors have determined that being exposed to five polygraph interrogations in three years, caused me to have three nervous breakdowns, an anxiety disorder and PTSD. 

Get this - These very regulations also direct that individuals with emotional, psychological or mental disabilities be exempted from "testing".

Last Friday, I received indisputable material facts from a federal judge that shows the DIA Office of Security is violating a higher authority and violating my individual rights.

I have your next book Andy.

[Ex Member]

You'd better watch it Dan, or he'll tell you to shut up too.  He can't handle the truth - and he doesn't want anyone else to know the truth either.

What the fuck are you talking about? I just told you to stop being Xenonman II.

[Ex Member]

What someone believes to be true?

Exactly my point. If the a-priori is not valid, then nothing else is as well.

[John M.]

What the fuck are you talking about?

How intellectual.

Look jackass, if you think something I said is incorrect, then say something logical in response, or keep your snarky comments to the people you abuse in person.

[Ex Member]

John,
Again, what the fuck are you talking about? Who do I abuse?

[Ex Member]

So all this talk about theories is nothing but bullshit.

Doug, I don't think anyone was defending these theories, just shaking them out to see if they pass the reasonableness test.