American Polygraph Assocation 2017 Contest for President-Elect a Three-Way Race

[Dan Mangan]

The American Polygraph Association will hold its annual electronic election for Board offices from June 18-24, 2017.

This year, there are three candidates for the office of president-elect:

--> Steve Duncan

--> Dan Mangan

--> John Palmatier

Election results will be posted June 26 on the APA's web site, www.polygraph.org.

Developing...

[Joe McCarthy]

what happened to, "I retired?" 

Just being fair here, because you know other people are asking.  I'm just brave or stupid enough to ask what everyone else is thinking.

[Dan Mangan]

My "retirement" was a ruse to set the stage for a three-way race for APA president-elect.

BTW, I didn't declare my candidacy until the last day of eligibility.

Looks like it worked.

[Ex Member]

My "retirement" was a ruse to set the stage for a three-way race for APA president-elect.

You rascal!

[Dan Mangan]

Ark, desperate times call for desperate measures.

Of the roughly 3,000 APA members, only about 500 dedicated-to-truth forensic psycho-physiologists actually bother to vote.

In a three-way race. all it takes to win is... Well, you get the idea.

Critical-thinking APA members, please: VOTE DAN MANGAN FOR APA PRESIDENT-ELECT

[Dan Mangan]

Hey Joe McCarthy,

Does your internet radio/podcast offer still hold?

I'd love to debate my APA president-elect opponents Steve Duncan and Dr. John Palmatier, but I doubt they have the balls to participate.

If you can set it up, I'm all in.

But it's a package deal.

[cue crickets]

[Joe McCarthy]

My "retirement" was a ruse to set the stage for a three-way race for APA president-elect.

BTW, I didn't declare my candidacy until the last day of eligibility.

Looks like it worked.

Independent and unbiased, as usual, and just an opinion

It might backfire on you.  Then again, I've seen examiners with, alleged more integrity, but less integrity, do much worse. 

[Dan Mangan]

No doubt, Joe, the APA race for president-elect will be interesting.

Steve Duncan is a long time APA politico, so he's the odds-on favorite.

That said, more and more APA members want change.

John Palmatier, PhD, appears much more qualified than Duncan, but, IMHO, the good doctor comes off as glib, unctuous and pedantic -- a big turnoff.

Then there's that pesky realist, Mangan...

The election will be a crapshoot.

Just like the "test".

[Joe McCarthy]

Hey Joe McCarthy,

Does your internet radio/podcast offer still hold?

I'd love to debate my APA president-elect opponents Steve Duncan and Dr. John Palmatier, but I doubt they have the balls to participate.

If you can set it up, I'm all in.

But it's a package deal.

[cue crickets]

Dan,

While I think this is a good idea, under my original proposal, I am wondering if you understand I am uncompromising as to the condition that will be, as usual, fair, independent, and unbiased to ALL PARTIES, LEGITIMATELY involved. 

Some things you had problems with last year. Are you willing to accept stipulations set out last year and others; in the interests of assuring things stay, fair, independent, and unbiased?

[Joe McCarthy]

Dan

I don't give a rats ass who wins.

I don't benefit from any of you being president.  I have no skin in the contest; and in the end, I firmly believe that either the status quo will be followed, or polygraph will be totally destroyed.

So me and the small examiners are screwed in the long or short run either way. 

The polygraph industry, like humanity, in my opinion, is destined to destroy ourselves, from within, in favor of egos, or the status quo. 

It's a matter of how fast to we want the end to come.  Because I have little faith that you or the establishment want to fix anything for the better good. 

My only goal in this is keeping things fair

[George W. Maschke]

As they consider their vote, American Polygraph Association members should be aware of Steve Duncan's history of providing false testimony in court:

https://antipolygraph.org/forum/index.php?topic=3568.msg24712#msg24712

[Dan Mangan]

The American Polygraph Association has about 2,700 members. Of those, 1,652 are LE/GOVT examiners and 1,065 are private examiners.

Clearly, the LE/GOVT members are the majority.

That said, let's look at the results of the last two races for APA president-elect...

2016

Jamie McCloughan --------339
Dan Mangan  --------------116


2015

Pat O'Burke --------------394
Dan Mangan -------------154


While the APA has about 2,700 members, participation in the election process is dismal.

In 2015, 548 members cast ballots for president-elect. Turnout was down last year, with only 455 votes being cast for president-elect.

I received 25% of the vote in 2016, and 28% of the vote in 2015.

In 2015 I conducted a limited outreach program targeting potential voters. I did no such campaigning in 2016.

I'd love to mount a vigorous campaign, but there's a roadblock:  I do not have access to the APA's master member directory. If I did, that would make life much easier.

So, what will turnout be this year? My hunch is that it will be midway between that of 2015 and 2016, say, about 500 voters.

The real horse race is between APA establishment politico Duncan and science guy Palmatier.

We already know I'm capable of getting 154 votes when I reach out to members, even in a limited way as I did in 2015. Looking ahead, If I could grow that number by just 10% that would bring me to 169 votes.

If Duncan and Palmatier were to evenly split the remainder of the hypothetical 500 total votes cast, they'd have only 165 votes each.

Sure, it's conjecture, but once in a while hell does freeze over.

I think it would be foolish to jump to any foregone conclusions just yet...

[Joe McCarthy]

he asked for it, here is his platform ladies and gents.

an evening with Dan Megan

[Joe McCarthy]

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/maxprovocateur/2017/06/03/oh-danny-boy-the-pipes-th...


12 midnight tonight


I will not be taking calls for this session, and it will mainly be meant as a blog to prep for a long process of getting Dan and the other APA Candidates to come on and answer some questions about why they feel the APA voters should trust them.

Having said that, in this episode I will mainly be addressing Dan, and his apparent need to control the narrative and be a bully.

I really do hope all members of the polygraph community listen, and get my take on this whole thing, in a deeper and more personal level than the written word.  I'll also leave the episode on line so it can be podcast later.

[Dan Mangan]

The American Polygraph Association has published and distributed its special election issue of the APA magazine, which contains the election schedule and the candidates' statements.

Already I have received several notes of support, for which I am glad, grateful and encouraged.

The (electronic) elections take place June 18-24.