CIA Clearance Denial Appeal Length

[xenonman]

if it was the NSA...he said NO WAY....But because the CIA deals with people OK

What exactly did your attorney mean by that?  lol

[xenonman]

You will not win your CIA appeal, stop waiting and move on.

Very good advice!

As I understand it, "security clearance lawyers"  are most helpful if you are already in a position somewhere, and you become required to obtain a clearance at some later point.  If you are then denied that clearance for your EXISTING employment, you do have some legal recourse.

As it was explained to me once by such an attorney, there isn't much that can be done for mere, lowly applicants. :-?   

[xenonman]

I expect never to apply ever again for any clearance job with the Agency blacklist on you...even DoD or some other 3 letter agency.  Or even better...move out of the hypocritical DC area and start over.

Yes, the fact that the CIA is a law unto itself is very much to your benefit when applying to other federal agencies, since the Agency doesn't give a damn about what other "three-letter" bodies you contact.

Actually moving from the DC area isn't that bad an idea at all.   It will be so much less expensive elsewhere, and you'll avoid having to travel long distances in interminable traffic over the Beltway or I-66 to get anywhere!

I wonder how long other polygraph victims of the CIA had to wait on their appeals lately.

Of course, how would you ever know if it was in fact the polygraph that disqualified you?  It might have just been some nasty gossip gleaned during the BI from a coworker at some part-time job that you might have held back when you were in high school or college.  Don't forget that nasty comments are inevitably weighed far more  heavily than positive ones, and that information from "developed" informants (ones that you didn't list or authorize as references) is considered much more credible than anything that your listed references might have to say.

[foreign service retiree]

A clearance from another agency don't get you into Langley for a visit anyway.

A clearance from another agency won't admit you to Langley in any case

Actually, this is not exactly true.  A clearance from another agency CAN get you into CIA Headquarters and other buildings.  It is well known that the U.S. Department of State is used as a cover for many CIA Officers abroad, where the CIA Officers work under the disguise of Foreign Service Officers, a.k.a. U.S. Diplomats.  In fact, when you join the Foreign Service with the U.S. Department of State, your orientation will include a trip to the CIA where they will tell the real Foreign Service Officers this.  They may even reveal if any CIA Officers have been planted into that Foreign Service Orientation Class!  If you search the internet, you can find some Foreign Service Orientation schedules that show the CIA Visit on there.  NSA staff can get into CIA as well with their clearance as well.  In just about all cases, visitors need to have a visitor's request in from someone that works at CIA, but they can get in with another agency's clearance.

[xenonman]

In just about all cases, visitors need to have a visitor's request in from someone that works at CIA, but they can get in with another agency's clearance.

Correct, and the visitors to Langley will have to get an "escort required" badge.

I'm of course aware that Agency scum generally hide behind Foreign Service cover.  I was surprised to learn of the fact that the Agency will disclose the identity of their employees to Foreign Service classes. 

[Reddington]

Well the lawyer finally called after 2.5 years.  Said they like to have my hearing in June.   But it will cost another 7 grand...  I told him I'm going to cut my loses and go no further.  I like how I started to say I was going to pull the plug and he came down to 5 grand.  LOL....And he mentioned applying for an appeal after the hearing....I was like...Ya that's a waste of money.   So after a weekend of thinking I'm just going to have him write me a paragraph or more of how to explain my denial on any future application.  I mean he told me we were fucked months ago and it's mitigation/damage control now....basically showing I'm still a nice person and I don't do anything that I was denied for.   Well it's been over 5 years at this point.  My only issue is that once I'm denied is it from that point I can't apply to any 3 letter place for a year???  Is it from that time I have to wait 5 years??  When I was denied a clearance I thought it was the end of the world and my money making power.  But that's not the case.  Ya you can make more money with a clearance...but it's not necessary and not the end of the world. 

[Peety]

Well the lawyer finally called after 2.5 years.  Said they like to have my hearing in June.   But it will cost another 7 grand...  I told him I'm going to cut my loses and go no further.  I like how I started to say I was going to pull the plug and he came down to 5 grand.  LOL....And he mentioned applying for an appeal after the hearing....I was like...Ya that's a waste of money.   So after a weekend of thinking I'm just going to have him write me a paragraph or more of how to explain my denial on any future application.  I mean he told me we were fucked months ago and it's mitigation/damage control now....basically showing I'm still a nice person and I don't do anything that I was denied for.   Well it's been over 5 years at this point.  My only issue is that once I'm denied is it from that point I can't apply to any 3 letter place for a year???  Is it from that time I have to wait 5 years??  When I was denied a clearance I thought it was the end of the world and my money making power.  But that's not the case.  Ya you can make more money with a clearance...but it's not necessary and not the end of the world. 

Are you ptrck, the OP?

You can get into another agency with a clearance denial on record.  I know, because I have done it.  Literally just a few years after the first denial based on the polygraph, I was TS/SCI cleared into another agency.  I had no serious issues on records other than false accusations on a polygraph, which was not a concern to my new agency who did not even administer polygraphs themselves.  Just apply to other jobs and go for it, but do not expect to ever get into the CIA, or any other agency where  you failed the polygraph before, even if 10 years have passed.  I know, I am speaking from experience.  You are blacklisted for life from that agency.  By the way, I have since quit government service to do my own thing.

Regarding the appeal, those are just legal formalities to make you feel better.  Most appeals are denied, and the process drags on for so long that most applicants give up or move on, and don't care to spend the money.  That is the goal of these agencies.  It is rare to beat the U.S. federal government in court.  VERY RARE. 

I personally have gone from patriot to rogue.  I am sick of the government control and security clearance bullshit.  I have moved on with my life and will never again give a shit about U.S. government employment.  With my background, computer hacking, there is tons of money to be made and services to provide around the world without sitting on some limited GS payscale and worrying about my clearance all the time.  Criminals and malicious foreign governments will pay me more than the U.S. government ever will, and I know how to hide my tracks and money to avoid law enforcement coming down on me.  Besides, I am out of country anyway.  I can get paid from my laptop in any random part of the world. I'd much rather fuck foreign girls, do some drugs, break some laws, not report anything, and live a wild life until I die.  The U.S. government can die slow for all I care.  I respect Snowden, Wikileaks, Anonymous, and other anti-government people.

Life is short.  Fuck tyranny, oppression, and government control.  Be free, get paid, and grab your balls when you do so Uncle Sam can know the meaning of fuck you.

[Reddington]

Well back again after some time and the decision came in.....Drum roll please.  Denied.  It took pretty much 4 years from being walked out HQ to receiving the letter.   They said I could appeal that...LOL...ya right they have made their decision.  Don't bother wasting more money or time.  As far as I'm concerned I never want to work for "Those" people again.  The only misgiving I have is if in the future I try for a clearance at DOD or some other agency....am I forever blacklisted???

[Reddington]

Peety....nope not those guys.  Like you I'd much rather make my money else where and when you complete morons like Dumps family getting clearances at the drop of a hat you know the system is a rigged one.   More power to you...I'd rather fuck foreign girls as well and live life!  Wish I was out of the country!!

[quickfix]

Wish I was out of the country!!
                   

what are you waiting for?  someone to kiss you goodbye?  don't delay, leave today.  May I recommend North Korea or Iran as a destination.  And don't let the boarding gate door hit you in the ass on your way out.

[Animal]

I vehemently oppose the polygraph and I am willing to teach anyone, even tell the world, how to beat it.

I recommend you be careful. If the government perceives you as a threat, they will find some way to bring you down.