American Polygraph Association Elections: Race for president-elect pits Daniel Mangan against Patrick O'Burke

[Dan Mangan]

BTW... EyeDetect claims their method is 97% accurate when used in conjunction with polygraph. Can anyone explain how they arrived at that figure?

[Ex Member]

Which reminds me...the newfangled EyeDetect technology is deemed by its purveyors as unsuitable for fidelity tests. What's up with that?

From what I have read, it's not that it's unsuitable, but that such a test has not been developed. I think it is just that they want to avoid the messy aspects of fidelity testing from the get go; they are focused (no pun intended) on detecting participation in theft, fraud, money laundering, bribes, drug use, identity theft, violent crimes, and receipt of inappropriate benefits at work.

[Dan Mangan]

Ark, what is your connection to Converus?

[Ex Member]

BTW... EyeDetect claims their method is 97% accurate when used in conjunction with polygraph. Can anyone explain how they arrived at that figure? 

See the attached.

[Ex Member]

No connection.

[Dan Mangan]

Thanks.  Do you believe their accuracy claims?

[Ex Member]

Thanks.  Do you believe their accuracy claims?

I do not.

[Joe McCarthy]

Joe, my reforms are primarily consumer oriented. Those reforms could have an adverse effect on a significant number of polygraph practitioners, on different levels.

Think of it this way... The Credit CARD Act of 2009 helped consumers immensely, but many banks felt a lot of pain. Was it the right thing to do? Absolutely. My reforms are similar in spirit.

The nomination process for APA officers occurs during the month of May. My opponent(s) for the race for president-elect will be known soon after that.

Finally, I do not seek -- nor do I want -- your endorsement. You are radioactive within the polygraph industry.

It's hard to argue with that final fact, I am radioactive in this industry.  This is something you may actually want to tell yourself too.  Because if it can happen to me what I had proof of what I was saying, they can do it to you for much less.  The good part about that, people are finally looking at the truth in my case.  People are also starting to see, as they meet and talk to me, that I am not the person, some portrayed me as; and that my intentions were not as nefarious as people would have them believe.

Sadly, I see that I gave people the ammunition in 2008, to believe I was that person.  That part is on me.  I let my anger and disgust get the best of me, and I became very short sighted.  I would like to see you avoid that, and achieve your political goals.  You're not going to be able to do that with your current insurgency platform. 

This is an election, one where the polygraph examiners will be the voters, and you seem to think the consumer with be the reason you'll win.  Newsflash, the consumer is not going to help you win the election.  Some of the things you say may win business in the private market, but it will not win you votes for what you are attempting. 

You have to convince members of the APA to vote for you.  simple as that, and you are not going to be able to do that, when you send a message of destruction. 

But hey, you want to assume, I am trying to vet you for my endorsement; well go ahead.  Fact is, I am just trying to steer you into a direction where you do not become the next me; which you are on your way to becoming.

Anyway.... {Casino hands}, I'm out.  Have fun with your insurgency; it won't win you the election. 

[Ex Member]

It's hard to argue with that final fact, I am radioactive in this industry. 

From the fence, it appears that both of you are glowing in the dark.

[Dan Mangan]

Joe, I'm not out to win the race for president-elect this year. My goal is to reach 40% of the vote, give or take a couple of points.

In 2014 I received 15% of the votes for APA president-elect. Last year my level of voting supporters spiked to 28%, so I think that 40% is definitely achievable this time around. Should my goal be met, I'll be in it to win it in 2017.

My ideological insurgency is a slow (but steady) process, similar in nature to other (r)evolutionary changes that are taking place on the national and global stages.

[Joe McCarthy]

It's hard to argue with that final fact, I am radioactive in this industry. 

From the fence, it appears that both of you are glowing in the dark.

You are correct, we just embrace the glow for different reasons. 

[Dan Mangan]

Right on, bro!

[Drew Richardson]

Dan,

Have you considered a campaign to recruit Japanese (and other international) scientists/polygraphers to seek APA membership in greater numbers than currently is the case (no idea what that would be)? 

I would think those who only utilize CIT exams (and presumably criticize lie detection methods on an ethical as well as diagnostic-validity basis as do you) might support your candidacy.

[Dan Mangan]

Ark, do you believe the APA's accuracy claims as advertised in their meta-analytic survey?

[Ex Member]

I have already stated my position on this in a previous post:

"From what I've reviewed in the last 5 or so years, It appears that the CQT is capable of detecting deception (assuming single issue) at slightly higher than chance level. Beyond that, it is still fuzzy. I have more faith in the CIT, but meaningful field studies are sorely lacking. "