Doug Williams Polygraph Trial Discussion Thread

[getrealalready]

Even if one is a believer in the veracity of biblical scripture, me thinks (our) specifically ascribing such biblical references to one person's circumstances, behavior, and demeanor vs another's is about as subject to error as is divining truth from polygraph squiggles...

[George W. Maschke]

Even if one is a believer in the veracity of biblical scripture, me thinks (our) specifically ascribing such biblical references to one person's circumstances, behavior, and demeanor vs another's is about as subject to error as is divining truth from polygraph squiggles...

Amen.

[Wandersmann]

Even if one is a believer in the veracity of biblical scripture, me thinks (our) specifically ascribing such biblical references to one person's circumstances, behavior, and demeanor vs another's is about as subject to error as is divining truth from polygraph squiggles...

As the one who started with the scripture I'll also say amen.  I believe, with few exceptions, the only true Christians in the world are those being persecuted in China and North Korea.  I've dabbled in scripture on this site because I know that there are many vapid evangelical dolts in the pro-polygraph community, including an ordained minister who is a polygrapher.  After 30 years of experiencing  and witnessing polygraph hell, I must admit I am still in a state of complete disbelief and shock that the United States, of all places, still uses this terrorist device to ruin innocent people's lives.  My use of scripture may have helped Doug Williams, who I do believe is a real Christian.  I thought why not try a different tactic with Anti-Poly's top adversary, if he really is who he says he is.  I strongly suspect that some of the pro-polygraph people who post on this site are really anti-polygraph supporters who are using a false flag method to win over hearts and minds.   

[George W. Maschke]

I strongly suspect that some of the pro-polygraph people who post on this site are really anti-polygraph supporters who are using a false flag method to win over hearts and minds.

I haven't found evidence of such fakery.

[Wandersmann]

I haven't found evidence of such fakery.

Regardless.  If anyone with a mind and a conscience reads their dribble it should be having the same effect.  People who profit and delight from another human being's suffering, especially given the possible fact the the victim is totally innocent and undeserving.  Is there anything lower ?

[Aunty Agony]

...People who profit and delight from another human being's suffering, especially given the possible fact the the victim is totally innocent and undeserving...

Uh oh.  Now Quickfix is gonna have to emerge from his crevice and crow how Doug is technically not "totally innocent".

-Aunty.

[Wandersmann]

Uh oh.  Now Quickfix is gonna have to emerge from his crevice and crow how Doug is technically not "totally innocent".

Oops !!!!!!!  Thank you Aunty.  My bad.  Although I did say possible fact, I realize I still threw Quickfix an underhand lob that he can hit out of the park.  I was thinking about the hundreds of other totally innocent (at least in regard to false polygraph accusations) people out there with my comment. 

[George W. Maschke]

I am in touch with Doug Williams via e-mail now. If anyone would like me to pass on a message, I'd be happy to do so.

[Ex Member]

I am in touch with Doug Williams via e-mail now. If anyone would like me to pass on a message, I'd be happy to do so.

George, how is the old warrior doing?

[George W. Maschke]

Arkhangelsk,

Doug is doing about as well as could be expected, under the circumstances. He has a job in the cafeteria and is active with a Christian fellowship group. He's also working on getting in better physical shape, though he has sleeping difficulties, as they turn the lights on for a headcount three times per night.

Doug has not been singled out for any special adverse treatment because of his status as a former law enforcement officer.

[George W. Maschke]

Doug Williams has today published on Polygraph.com a commentary on Operation Lie Busters along with recent correspondence with retired federal polygraph researcher Dr. Gordon H. Barland:

http://polygraph.com/assets/Doug_Williams_and_Dr._Gordon_Barland.pdf

[Ex Member]

Powerful; that is a more serious and tactical Doug. It appears the attempts to silence him have not borne fruit.

[Dan Mangan]

Wow. That is some exceptionally heavy shit.

Between the two of them, Samuel Beckett and Franz Kafka would be hard pressed to dream something like this this up.

Indeed, truth is stranger than fiction.

[George W. Maschke]

I find this portion of Doug's article particularly noteworthy:

I appeal to those in positions of power in the government to take note of what my prosecution actually means. The polygraph operators have admitted the polygraph is worthless as a lie detector. So why in hell do you still rely on it? Wake up! You are the victims of the polygraph operator's fraud! Stop the madness! Stop relying on this fraudulent polygraph procedure! It is foolish and dangerous to continue to trust our national security and the integrity of the criminal justice system to what amounts to an outrageous scam. It is criminally negligent of you who are in positions of power to continue to use and rely on the results of the polygraph "examination." There is no excuse for you to be deliberately ignorant about the waste, fraud and abuse of the polygraph industry. Go to www.polygraph.com, read my manual, my book, watch my DVD and watch the media clips - educate yourselves!

The very existence of Operation Lie Busters confirms that 1) polygraph countermeasures are effective and 2) the federal government has no ability to detect them. Policymakers take note.

[Dan Mangan]

After studying the email exchanges between Doug Williams and Gordon Barland, I have been entertaining a particular wonderment...

Will any elder statesmen of polygraph ever muster the courage to tell the truth -- in a highly public way -- about the true-life risks, realities and limitations of the "test" before they shed their mortal coil?

Such insider revelations could go a long way in helping to right the wrongs that have long plagued polygraph.