Doug Williams Polygraph Trial Discussion Thread

[Dan Mangan]

Here's a fun fact... 

In the 10+ years I've been a polygraph examiner, I've received a total of six inquiries seeking what I would generously characterize as "special consultations" -- all within the past 18 months.

At least one such inquiry was from a federal agent, who I was soon able to identify. When I responded to him on his official .gov email -- which he did not use to contact me -- he quickly lost interest.

Coincidence?

Daniel Mangan, M.A.
Full Member, American Polygraph Association
Certified PCSOT Examiner
www.polygraphman.com

[Ex Member]

He'll probably spend the rest of his life selling his possessions and working as a convenience store clerk.

Really? I see documentaries, book deals, lecture fees and more. The feds may even hire him as a consultant.

[SeeNoEvil]

Here's a fun fact... 

In the 10+ years I've been a polygraph examiner, I've received a total of six inquiries seeking what I would generously characterize as "special consultations" -- all within the past 18 months.

At least one such inquiry was from a federal agent, who I was soon able to identify. When I responded to him on his official .gov email -- which he did not use to contact me -- he quickly lost interest.

Coincidence?

Daniel Mangan, M.A.
Full Member, American Polygraph Association
Certified PCSOT Examiner
www.polygraphman.com

Whoa. Dan, are you saying the feds tried to trap you too the same way they did Doug?  What exactly did they say, how did the conversations go for these requests? They probably got your info from all your signatures in your posts on this site, which the feds read often.

By the way, hey feds, I lied and used countermeasures on my federal employment poly and they worked! I passed got TS-SCI cleared, and got hires. So ha ha ha.

[Wandersmann]

Really? I see documentaries, book deals, lecture fees and more. The feds may even hire him as a consultant.

They will make it a condition of his probation that he never talks about his case or the polygraph.  You'll never hear from him again.  If I'm wrong, when he writes his next book or gives his next lecture, post my words here and tell me you told me so.  I agree that the government might hire him as a consultant, but only if they turn him and get him to recant his anti-polygraph days.   

[George W. Maschke]

On Monday, 1 June 2015, I was a guest on the Peter B. Collins Show and spoke with Peter about developments in the trial of Doug Williams. A preview clip is available here:

http://www.peterbcollins.com/2015/06/01/in-government-sting-case-polygraph-critic-doug-williams-changed-plea-to-guilty/

and the entire interview is available with the purchase of a $1 site day pass.

[George W. Maschke]

Doug Williams' website, Polygraph.com, is back online again:

http://polygraph.com

and Doug is back on Twitter, where you can follow him at @DougWilliams_PG.

[meangino]

The current issue of Bloomberg Businessweek has an excellent article regarding Doug Williams.  The article also mentions our own George Maschke.

http://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2015-doug-williams-war-on-lie-detector/

[George W. Maschke]

meangino,

Thanks for posting the link! Drake Bennett's article about Doug Williams is indeed excellent, and I encourage all concerned about polygraph matters to read it in full:

http://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2015-doug-williams-war-on-lie-detector/

Also, Doug Williams is again making his book, From Cop to Crusader: The Story of My Fight Against the Dangerous Myth of "Lie Detection," freely available for download:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/xzai45vfhujxpp1/LAE0g0nUB2?lst=

[George W. Maschke]

A sentencing hearing in U.S. v. Doug Williams has been scheduled for Tuesday, 22 September 2015 at 3 PM in room 301 of the U.S. Courthouse in Oklahoma City.

[George W. Maschke]

Yesterday, the U.S. government filed a "Memorandum in Aid of Sentencing" requesting that the court sentence Doug Williams to 24-30 months in prison:

https://antipolygraph.org/litigation/doug-williams/doug-williams-united-states-sentencing-memorandum.pdf

[George W. Maschke]

In its Memorandum in Aid of Sentencing the U.S. government argues, among other things, that the court should show no leniency toward Doug Williams because his book and DVD remain available for sale:

The seriousness of the offenses committed by defendant as well as his continued promotion and sale of materials that teach people to "beat" the polygraph weigh against any downward variance or departure in this case.

Think about that. There is absolutely nothing illegal -- or even unethical -- about Williams' sale of his book and DVD. That the government invokes it to argue against leniency speaks to the corrupt motivation behind Operation Lie Busters: the government's desire to suppress the truth about polygraphy and polygraph countermeasures.

[Drew Richardson]

George,

Your analysis of the quoted material is quite correct as well as being relevant and timely with regard to Mr. William's sentencing.

In view of Mr. Williams guilty plea(s) to crime(s) for which he was charged/indicted, I am not sure that this material will have any impact on sentencing, BUT...

Having been made aware of this material and the logical analysis that you provide, the trial judge (at a very minimum) should give a very strong warning to the prosecution with regard to ever again bringing a prosecution that stems from at least partially misrepresented motivation(s), i.e., with motivation unrelated to proving the elements of the crime(s) and at least partially unrelated to seeking a conviction of a defendant solely because he/she is guilty of the crimes for which that one is charged.

[Ex Member]

Yesterday, the U.S. government filed a "Memorandum in Aid of Sentencing" requesting that the court sentence Doug Williams to 24-30 months in prison:

Doug, if you are reading this, I know you can handle this sentence, and I suspect it may even be a little less. Be strong, start working out.

[Doug Williams]

 :-?

Yesterday, the U.S. government filed a "Memorandum in Aid of Sentencing" requesting that the court sentence Doug Williams to 24-30 months in prison:

Doug, if you are reading this, I know you can handle this sentence, and I suspect it may even be a little less. Be strong, start working out.

Ark – thank you for your support and encouragement.

[George W. Maschke]

Yesterday, Doug Williams' attorney Stephen H. Buzin filed on his behalf a "Defendant's Memorandum in Aid of Sentencing":

https://antipolygraph.org/litigation/doug-williams/doug-williams-defendants-sentencing-memorandum.pdf

I think Mr. Buzin makes a compelling argument for downward departure from the U.S. Sentencing Guidelines and note in particular the U.S. Probation Officer's finding, cited at p. 6 of the memorandum, that "there are no identifiable victims in these offenses."

A sentencing hearing is scheduled for today, Tuesday, 22 September 2015 at 3 PM Central Time.