POLYS

[Sergeant1107]

Sarge, you or anyone else could send me a PM.  If I was able to verify the info, I would appologize for having my doubts and I wouldn't reveal the info on this site.

I already posted that I do not believe you would take my point of view any more seriously if I proved to you I took and failed three polygraphs.  

I have previously written that I am a police officer in Connecticut.  By law, everyone who attends the POST academy in Connecticut must first pass a polygraph exam.


I don't think it enhances the credibility of your opinion at all when you and some of your fellow examiners question the character and veracity of anyone who doesn't agree with them.  It sounds more like you are foundering and are desperately trying to change the subject by attacking others.

If I post a question or an opinion about countermeasures, what does it matter what I do for a living, or how many polygraphs I have taken in the past?  If you can answer the question, or if you have an opinion germane to the conversation, feel free to post.  I don't see how you can believe you are behaving in a mature fashion when you reply to such questions with sarcastic comments and non sequiturs about what the poster does for a living.

When you came to this forum nobody questioned you as to how many exams you have taken, or how many you have given, or what degrees you have.  I know I didn't do so, because it is irrelevant.  If you have something intelligent and on point to add to the conversation, it doesn't matter where you received your degree or what you do for a living.  And if you don't have anything to add, well, it doesn't matter then, either.

[1904]

Hi Sarge,

It's a waste of breath.
If evidence was a Mack truck you could drive it over them and nothing would change.


We've been dancing in circles for nearly two weeks now.
PD puts debatable stuff on the table; The childlike LV is merely having fun at the circus;
MM & WW in particular are a bit thin in the presentation of actual facts.

One real issue has been sidelined. Dr Richardson publicly challenged the p/g fraternity.
Besides taking cheap shots at him here, none of those challenged has the balls to contact
him and take up the challenge.

Polygraph is fallible.
QED.

[rice80]

Hi Sarge,

It's a waste of breath.
If evidence was a Mack truck you could drive it over them and nothing would change.


We've been dancing in circles for nearly two weeks now.
PD puts debatable stuff on the table; The childlike LV is merely having fun at the circus;
MM & WW in particular are a bit thin in the presentation of actual facts.

One real issue has been sidelined. Dr Richardson publicly challenged the p/g fraternity.
Besides taking cheap shots at him here, none of those challenged has the balls to contact
him and take up the challenge.

Polygraph is fallible.
QED.

Amen Brother! I would say "I agree" but our fellow examiners dont like that lol. I thought if I threw in a religious comment they might find that more acceptable

Anyways it seems as if this site has been busy over the weekend. Sorry WW didn't know you added the title of "The Spelling Police" to your resume? Like you have never misspelled a word, please. I'll make you a deal    you stick to pretending that you can catch people in lies with your little handy, dandy "instrument", as your fellow exminer has put it, (BTW Its still a machine, Paradiddle. It plugs into the walls and requires electric to operate, or battery power if on a laptop) and let me handle the cop stuff, K?
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[Paradiddle]

I agree. Polygraphs are inteaded to scare the poeple who don't know how they work. They are merely and interagation tool for confessions. I have been a law enforcement officer now for several years and have taken taken several polygraphs to get to where I am now. When I first started my law enforcement career several years ago, I had nerver taken a ploygraph and quite frankly where scared to death of them. I applied to a state agency and took the ploygraph three times. I told the same information on all three ploygraphs and failed the first two and passed the third. I went on to finish the whole hiring process but was not hired becuase I didn't have a college education at the time, or so they say. I then proceded on to apply to another department and take their polygraph as well.  This time I researched this "so-called" proven science as I was told. I learned about the tricks used by the examiners againest their examinees. Now I must say that I had nothing to hide when I took my previous poly test and I told the truth and still failed the first two. I then took my third with the same agency and told the exact same information and passed prior to educated myself as to how they actually worked.  

All polygraphs that I have taken were all the CQT ones. Once I learned how the tests are conducted I felt more comfortable taking the poly test and passing it. Since I am a cop I can consider why we use this machine againest criminals. It is truely a good iterragation tool but it has no sciencetific backing to prove its relieabilty, thus why it is not allowed in court. I have consulted with other polygraph examiners after becoming a cop and they all have confirmed the same thing. They assume if you react to a control question more then a relavent then you are telling the truth and vise versa. They also cannot really tell if countermeasures are being use unless you of course admitt to it. I have seen and heard alot of good people get turned down for law enforcement positions simply because they told the truth and failed the polygraph. I am a prime example. I have since taken another and passed having been educated, and yes I did employ countermeasures which were not detected.

I do agree however with some of the other postings I have read from the other examiners on this site stating that educating the sex offenders and other criminals is bad because we need to put these type of people behind bars but it is also good to educate the truthfull people who just want to pursue thier dreams and its not fair to "fail" them for telling the truth and not "reacting" the way they should on a crude instument.  Polygraphs should utimately be done away with until they can provide concrete evidence that they can actually detect know liars. I believe if you do a sound and through background check on an applicant and his references/employment you should discover what type of person he/she really is.

Rice80, please take the time to reread your post. Wonder Woman isn't the "spelling police", she was merely pointing out that your writing skills are at the 3th grade level, not your spelling. The fact that she was actually putting it nice escaped you----a supposed trained investigater. Her point was that she finds it very doubtful that you are a law officer----I disagree with her, as I suspect alcohol intoxication. Regardless, you are right to wonder what good could possibly come out of encouraging sex offenders to ; disengage from their treatment programs by cheating on risk assessment tools, and by encouraging sex offenders to "keep quiet" about secrets that are useful to the treatment and supervision process. Others will deny they are specifically doing such, but they are in a horrific state of denial------horrific because the proponents of behavioral countermeasures think they are heroes. Pure horse shit on a bun.

[rice80]

I agree. Polygraphs are inteaded to scare the poeple who don't know how they work. They are merely and interagation tool for confessions. I have been a law enforcement officer now for several years and have taken taken several polygraphs to get to where I am now. When I first started my law enforcement career several years ago, I had nerver taken a ploygraph and quite frankly where scared to death of them. I applied to a state agency and took the ploygraph three times. I told the same information on all three ploygraphs and failed the first two and passed the third. I went on to finish the whole hiring process but was not hired becuase I didn't have a college education at the time, or so they say. I then proceded on to apply to another department and take their polygraph as well.  This time I researched this "so-called" proven science as I was told. I learned about the tricks used by the examiners againest their examinees. Now I must say that I had nothing to hide when I took my previous poly test and I told the truth and still failed the first two. I then took my third with the same agency and told the exact same information and passed prior to educated myself as to how they actually worked.  

All polygraphs that I have taken were all the CQT ones. Once I learned how the tests are conducted I felt more comfortable taking the poly test and passing it. Since I am a cop I can consider why we use this machine againest criminals. It is truely a good iterragation tool but it has no sciencetific backing to prove its relieabilty, thus why it is not allowed in court. I have consulted with other polygraph examiners after becoming a cop and they all have confirmed the same thing. They assume if you react to a control question more then a relavent then you are telling the truth and vise versa. They also cannot really tell if countermeasures are being use unless you of course admitt to it. I have seen and heard alot of good people get turned down for law enforcement positions simply because they told the truth and failed the polygraph. I am a prime example. I have since taken another and passed having been educated, and yes I did employ countermeasures which were not detected.

I do agree however with some of the other postings I have read from the other examiners on this site stating that educating the sex offenders and other criminals is bad because we need to put these type of people behind bars but it is also good to educate the truthfull people who just want to pursue thier dreams and its not fair to "fail" them for telling the truth and not "reacting" the way they should on a crude instument.  Polygraphs should utimately be done away with until they can provide concrete evidence that they can actually detect know liars. I believe if you do a sound and through background check on an applicant and his references/employment you should discover what type of person he/she really is.

Rice80, please take the time to reread your post. Wonder Woman isn't the "spelling police", she was merely pointing out that your writing skills are at the 3th grade level, not your spelling. The fact that she was actually putting it nice escaped you----a supposed trained investigater. Her point was that she finds it very doubtful that you are a law officer----I disagree with her, as I suspect alcohol intoxication. Regardless, you are right to wonder what good could possibly come out of encouraging sex offenders to ; disengage from their treatment programs by cheating on risk assessment tools, and by encouraging sex offenders to "keep quiet" about secrets that are useful to the treatment and supervision process. Others will deny they are specifically doing such, but they are in a horrific state of denial------horrific because the proponents of behavioral countermeasures think they are heroes. Pure horse shit on a bun.

LOL    Your funny Paradiddle. You are rather amusing I must say.  I change my mind about you  

[tbld]

Did some research today on polys Some states have already banned the usage of polys even for LE hiring i guess some states are finally coming to the realize that the polygraph isnt all its cracked up to be.....



On an unrelated note i thought this was a good video on the polygraphers competition

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rr3E_2KTxI0

[tbld]

What about people with false memory disorder who havce to take a poly?

or
MPD??

[Paradiddle]

What about people with personality disorders such as extreme narcissism? What about people with extreme arrested development like adult men who eat boogers and read comic books and ask asinine questions just to get a rise out of people?
lol  

seeya

[tbld]

What about people with personality disorders such as extreme narcissism? What about people with extreme arrested development like adult men who eat boogers and read comic books and ask asinine questions just to get a rise out of people?
lol  

seeya

Sooo youd pass with the extreme narcissism part... and why the mulitple reference to boogers ? i think you have a fetish.........

[Wonder_Woman]

I hope you are all proud of me as I have refrained from making a very inappropriate comment about tbld!

[tbld]

I hope you are all proud of me as I have refrained from making a very inappropriate comment about tbld!

Its never stopped you ''wonderful'' pgs before why no ad hom now? itsnot like your silly 5th grade come backs and little verbal attacks bother me any... way to toal ''smack'' ''online''

[Sergeant1107]

What about people with personality disorders such as extreme narcissism? What about people with extreme arrested development like adult men who eat boogers and read comic books and ask asinine questions just to get a rise out of people?
lol  

seeya

With all due respect, I find it humorously ironic that you are accusing someone of asking asinine questions just to get a rise out of people.

I think the behavior you and many of your colleagues have displayed since joining this forum can only be classified under the category of "troll", which is sometimes defined thusly:

Someone who regularly posts specious arguments, flames or personal attacks to a newsgroup, discussion list, or in email for no other purpose than to annoy someone or disrupt a discussion. Trolls are recognizable by the fact that the have no real interest in learning about the topic at hand - they simply want to utter flame bait. Like the ugly creatures they are named after, they exhibit no redeeming characteristics, and as such, they are recognized as a lower form of life on the net, as in, "Oh, ignore him, he's just a troll."