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Posted by ms_iron
- Aug 13, 2004, 08:05 PMI never thought of that, failing a person due to their own hidden prejudice against blacks, Jew's, irish or whatever they don't accept...not good. Even more reason the DQ the poly.
Posted by Thinker
- May 27, 2004, 03:32 PMHere's a thought: maybe all you polygraph examiners should try sticking your heads up each others asses for a change. I bet the change in scent would do you all some good...
Posted by BlackJhack
- May 27, 2004, 03:11 PMWell, well, well, the truth is now clear. I knew you polygraph examiners were pricks, but racist too!? Wow! Why do you have to bring race into this forum BS, by calling me a "Black" jackass? I think that is uncalled for. I bet, being the shit smeller you are, that you have accused many people of the same transgression knowing in your heart thatyou are guilty of it too. How would people feel if they knew that you are racist and that you probably fail people, simply because they are black. I would think as a professional shit smeller, you would have to seperate your hate from your job, but I guess that isn't one of the requirements for shit smellers, eh? 
Posted by Scum Alert
- May 27, 2004, 11:36 AMJust look at all the polygrapher scumbags giving this guy the third degree in this thread!
The man did what you pricks told him to do ("be honest") and all that got him was DQ'ed.
Lesson learned: If you've done something you don't wan the polycops to know about ... LIE. Admit nothing. Use countermeasures.
People don't owe these pricks anything.
F*ck the polygraph.
The man did what you pricks told him to do ("be honest") and all that got him was DQ'ed.
Lesson learned: If you've done something you don't wan the polycops to know about ... LIE. Admit nothing. Use countermeasures.
People don't owe these pricks anything.
F*ck the polygraph.
Posted by I-Smell-BS-2
- May 26, 2004, 09:39 PMQuote from: BlackJhack on May 26, 2004, 06:28 PMAre you still hanging around BS? Your like a shit dangling from my ass that I just can't quite clip off. I can't believe that you don't get tired of smelling shit. Why don't you just stay in the sewer with all of the other polygraph examiners and smell the shit down there. I'm sure you will find more of a variety. By the way, what are the credentials that one must receive to become a professional shit smeller? Must one major in Shitology? Or will a Ass-hole-ology fulfill all the necessary requirements? Please enlighten us...
Yes Black Jackass, I'm still here although George blocked my access from my other isp, so much for his claim of an open board. But it is no surprise that he is a liar. As to your question about my studies in "Ass-hole-ology", as a matter of fact I, like George, am getting a PHD, (Piled Higher and Deeper) in bullshit detection. And people like you, George, and Triple Excrement are giving me all the raw material I need for the lab work. Keep posting the bullshit, my thesis is almost ready.
Posted by BlackJhack
- May 26, 2004, 06:28 PMAre you still hanging around BS? Your like a shit dangling from my ass that I just can't quite clip off. I can't believe that you don't get tired of smelling shit. Why don't you just stay in the sewer with all of the other polygraph examiners and smell the shit down there. I'm sure you will find more of a variety. By the way, what are the credentials that one must receive to become a professional shit smeller? Must one major in Shitology? Or will a Ass-hole-ology fulfill all the necessary requirements? Please enlighten us...
Posted by I-Smell-BS-2
- May 25, 2004, 11:25 PMQuote from: triple x on May 25, 2004, 10:59 PM
oki,
I find your post interesting, as you indicated the FBI previously disqualified you for admitting to steroid use [for two injections] 15 years ago.
Anabolic steroids are a Schedule III controlled substance.
Heroin is a Schedule I controlled substance.
See section 812. Schedules of controlled substances. Refer to: http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/agency/csa.htm
Steroids are currently a Schedule III controlled substance, and was officially introduced to the controlled substance act effective Jan 1, 1990. Prior to 1/1/90, if caught possessing, selling or buying steroids was only a misdemeanor offense, as with a DUI.
On page 14, "Personal Declarations", in the FD-140 FBI Background Application makes clear:
Question:
1) Have you used marijuana during the last 3 years? Yes/no.
2) Have you used marijuana more than 15 times? Yes/no.
3) Have you used an illegal drug or combination of illegal drugs, other than marijuana, more than 5 times? Yes/no.
4) Have you used an illegal drug or combination of illegal drugs, other than marijuana, during the last 10 years? Yes/no.
5) Have you used an illegal drug while employed in a law enforcement or prosecutorial position? Yes/no.
6) Have you used an illegal drug while employed in a position of high-level responsibility or public trust? Yes/no.
7) Have you ever sold illegal drugs? Yes/no. If yes, provide details.Do you understand that all prospective FBI employees will be required to submit to a urinalysis for drug abuse prior to employment? Yes/no.
9) List all federal agencies and any state or local law enforcement agencies to which you have applied for employment.
10) Has any organization listed in number 9 above investigated, interviewed, tested, or polygraphed you? If so, indicate the name of the agency and the date and type of pre-screening method.
11) Are you now or have you been a member of a foreign or domestic organization, association, movement, group, etc., etc...
12) Have you been a member of a foreign intelligence organization?
13) All information on this application will be investigated.
The FBI should not have disqualified you for admitting to what could be considered "experimental use" of steroids only twice in your entire life. Not to mention, your steroid use was 15 years ago and prior to being added to the controlled substance act.
Is it possible or plausible, that you may have inadvertently admitted to using steroids within the past 3-years, or, more than 15 times total?
I'm familiar with the FBI's drug policy and hiring process. Had your admissions to previous drug use 15 years ago [steroid use, twice] been within the FBI's drug policy criteria as per the FD-140 FBI Background Application, you should not have been disqualified.
This is of course, if the polygraph examiner believed you to be truthful. Please note that I said the polygraph examiner, not the polygraph machine.
Are you certain of the facts referenced per your initial post?
Triple x
Well Triple Excrement, it seems like you smell BS too! How about that. You are a little slow, but you catch a whif now and then.
Posted by triple x
- May 25, 2004, 10:59 PMQuote from: oki on May 19, 2004, 12:05 AMHello everyone.
I feel lucky for finding you all and this website. I have this question and hoping to get some responds from those who has a solid and reasonable experience and knowledge on this topic. Thank you all.
I am in the hiring process for PD in bay area. 15 years ago, I had taken two steroid shots with supervision of a pharmacist (not a phsycian) when I was pumping iron, where this particular drug was legal in the country i was live in. Now, in the US they put all the steroids, which I am not defending, into the same basket with heroin and speeds! Having experienced disqualification in preliminary test by FBI for being honest, for using the drug only twice 15 years ago in a foreign country, where drug wasn't even illegal cost me a possible career with FBI, what should I do this time on polygraph test? Try to cheat or tell the truth?
oki,
I find your post interesting, as you indicated the FBI previously disqualified you for admitting to steroid use [for two injections] 15 years ago.
Anabolic steroids are a Schedule III controlled substance.
Heroin is a Schedule I controlled substance.
See section 812. Schedules of controlled substances. Refer to: http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/agency/csa.htm
Steroids are currently a Schedule III controlled substance, and was officially introduced to the controlled substance act effective Jan 1, 1990. Prior to 1/1/90, if caught possessing, selling or buying steroids was only a misdemeanor offense, as with a DUI.
On page 14, "Personal Declarations", in the FD-140 FBI Background Application makes clear:
Question:
1) Have you used marijuana during the last 3 years? Yes/no.
2) Have you used marijuana more than 15 times? Yes/no.
3) Have you used an illegal drug or combination of illegal drugs, other than marijuana, more than 5 times? Yes/no.
4) Have you used an illegal drug or combination of illegal drugs, other than marijuana, during the last 10 years? Yes/no.
5) Have you used an illegal drug while employed in a law enforcement or prosecutorial position? Yes/no.
6) Have you used an illegal drug while employed in a position of high-level responsibility or public trust? Yes/no.
7) Have you ever sold illegal drugs? Yes/no. If yes, provide details.
Do you understand that all prospective FBI employees will be required to submit to a urinalysis for drug abuse prior to employment? Yes/no.9) List all federal agencies and any state or local law enforcement agencies to which you have applied for employment.
10) Has any organization listed in number 9 above investigated, interviewed, tested, or polygraphed you? If so, indicate the name of the agency and the date and type of pre-screening method.
11) Are you now or have you been a member of a foreign or domestic organization, association, movement, group, etc., etc...
12) Have you been a member of a foreign intelligence organization?
13) All information on this application will be investigated.
The FBI should not have disqualified you for admitting to what could be considered "experimental use" of steroids only twice in your entire life. Not to mention, your steroid use was 15 years ago and prior to being added to the controlled substance act.
Is it possible or plausible, that you may have inadvertently admitted to using steroids within the past 3-years, or, more than 15 times total?
I'm familiar with the FBI's drug policy and hiring process. Had your admissions to previous drug use 15 years ago [steroid use, twice] been within the FBI's drug policy criteria as per the FD-140 FBI Background Application, you should not have been disqualified.
This is of course, if the polygraph examiner believed you to be truthful. Please note that I said the polygraph examiner, not the polygraph machine.
Are you certain of the facts referenced per your initial post?
Triple x
Posted by Kona
- May 25, 2004, 08:44 PMQuote from: oki on May 24, 2004, 08:14 PMI feel angry, offended and insulted for being treated like if I am a low life drug addict. And I am considering to follow up this by consulting an attorney for filing a discrimination charge if I have to. Because in my mind and deep of my heart I haven't done anything illegal.
Oki,
You need to get past being angry, offended and insulted, because it's not going to get you anywhere. Neither is getting a lawyer or filing a discrimination lawsuit. You did not fall within the acceptable limits of illegal drug usage that the police agency uses as their criteria for hiring recruit officers. I'm not a lawyer here, but I don't think you have a leg to stand on......
Rcop is right on the money. In California, every police department has their own criteria for hiring recruit officers, so it would behoove you to do a little research on your target departments. Go to their websites, or call their recruiting departments and talk to them about your steroid usage, and find out if it is disqualifying or not before you go through all the trouble to apply.
Good luck.
Kona
Posted by rcop
- May 25, 2004, 03:00 AMOki,
Don't get down on yourself. You had no choice but to be honest because the agency where you applied would have found out about your prior admission to the FBI. Getting caught in a lie will definitely preclude you from ever getting hired as a cop. In California, every department has its own standard re: prior drug use. For example, LAPD will not accept any prior cocaine use. Other departments will take prior cocaine use on a case by case basis. You apparently applied for a department that has zero tolerance for prior steroid use, but not all departments will have that zero tolerance policy. Keep on trying. Next time you apply for a job try to find out beforehand about the department's policy re: prior steroid use. As a example, the Concord P.D. website has an excellent page regarding what is acceptable past drug use for that department. Alot of cops I know were hired only after being disqualified by another department. Getting hired is not easy but it is worth it. Good luck.
Don't get down on yourself. You had no choice but to be honest because the agency where you applied would have found out about your prior admission to the FBI. Getting caught in a lie will definitely preclude you from ever getting hired as a cop. In California, every department has its own standard re: prior drug use. For example, LAPD will not accept any prior cocaine use. Other departments will take prior cocaine use on a case by case basis. You apparently applied for a department that has zero tolerance for prior steroid use, but not all departments will have that zero tolerance policy. Keep on trying. Next time you apply for a job try to find out beforehand about the department's policy re: prior steroid use. As a example, the Concord P.D. website has an excellent page regarding what is acceptable past drug use for that department. Alot of cops I know were hired only after being disqualified by another department. Getting hired is not easy but it is worth it. Good luck.
Posted by I-Smell-BS-2
- May 24, 2004, 09:58 PMCorrect me if I'm wrong, but I do believe they have the right to discriminate against someone who has admitted drug use that violates their employment criteria.
Posted by oki
- May 24, 2004, 08:14 PMQuote from: oki on May 24, 2004, 08:00 PM
Yes. It did!
I was phoned today that the process will be discontinued. (Polygraph test has been cancelled) And I am thanked for being HONEST!
I feel angry, offended and insulted for being treated like if I am a low life drug addict. And I am considering to follow up this by consulting an attorney for filing a discrimination charge if I have to. Because in my mind and deep of my heart I haven't done anything illegal.
Posted by willsal
- May 24, 2004, 01:25 PMIs this guy for real? I mean can anyone besides Triple Excrement be this stupid?
excuse me for not knowing how polygraph examiners work. you make it sound like you know exactly what you're doing. if that was the case, i dont think you would be on this site, how about instead of giving bs advice, you give some worth while ideas for those of us who are to "nieve" or as you put it "stupid," make yourself usefull, instead of a dead weight that only adds to the burdens after the polygraph. if i knew then what i know now...
excuse me for not knowing how polygraph examiners work. you make it sound like you know exactly what you're doing. if that was the case, i dont think you would be on this site, how about instead of giving bs advice, you give some worth while ideas for those of us who are to "nieve" or as you put it "stupid," make yourself usefull, instead of a dead weight that only adds to the burdens after the polygraph. if i knew then what i know now...
Posted by ISBS-2
- May 21, 2004, 10:58 PMQuote from: willsal on May 21, 2004, 08:54 PMI told the truth in my poly and got in trouble for it. I was told that what i did in the past didnt matter and that i should be completely honest. they wanted to see if i was trust worthy enough to be a deputy and handle a weapon. well i was honest, and i passed my test. when i called later for a psych test date, i was told that i wasnt eligable because one thing that i had done was a criminal act and that i had to talk to my previous employer and to resolve it. they also said that they had to report to my current and former employers the stuff that i admitted to during my exam. i think it's bs that they told me to be honest and then they turn around and tell me that i cant be a deputy, and theyre gonna tell my previous employers of the stuff i did. it looks like i have to get a lawyer to help me out with one situation so that i can maybe pay for what i did and maybe hopefully i wont have to go to jail. the admin guy said that i could once again apply, but what are the chances of them wanting to hire me after i was honest and they know my past? its bs, i dont even know if i want to be a deputy anymore, this experience has really got to me and dont know what to do? any advice?
Is this guy for real? I mean can anyone besides Triple Excrement be this stupid?
Posted by willsal
- May 21, 2004, 08:54 PMI told the truth in my poly and got in trouble for it. I was told that what i did in the past didnt matter and that i should be completely honest. they wanted to see if i was trust worthy enough to be a deputy and handle a weapon. well i was honest, and i passed my test. when i called later for a psych test date, i was told that i wasnt eligable because one thing that i had done was a criminal act and that i had to talk to my previous employer and to resolve it. they also said that they had to report to my current and former employers the stuff that i admitted to during my exam. i think it's bs that they told me to be honest and then they turn around and tell me that i cant be a deputy, and theyre gonna tell my previous employers of the stuff i did. it looks like i have to get a lawyer to help me out with one situation so that i can maybe pay for what i did and maybe hopefully i wont have to go to jail. the admin guy said that i could once again apply, but what are the chances of them wanting to hire me after i was honest and they know my past? its bs, i dont even know if i want to be a deputy anymore, this experience has really got to me and dont know what to do? any advice?