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George W. Maschke Global Moderator Offline Make-believe science yields make-believe security. Posts: 6211 Joined: Sep 29^th, 2000	Arrested NSA Contractor Hal Martin "Passed at Least One Polygraph Test" Oct 7^th, 2016 at 9:55am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Harold Thomas Martin, III On 27 August 2016, NSA contractor Harold Thomas (Hal) Martin, III of Glen Burnie, Maryland was arrested based on probable cause to believe that he improperly removed and retained at his home terabytes of top secret NSA documents. According to the New York Times, Martin had been taking home classified material "since the late 1990s." The Wall Street Journal reports, citing U.S. Representative C.A. "Dutch" Ruppersberger as its source, that Martin passed at least one polygraph "test." Counterintelligence-scope polygraph examinations typically include a question along the lines of "Have you deliberately mishandled any classified information?" It appears likely that the Martin case represents yet another failure of polygraph screening. Interestingly, Martin's ex-wife, Elizabeth Martin, is a retired law enforcement officer working as a polygraph operator in Australia. According to BuzzFeed, the Martins once owned a Lexus with license plate "POLYGRAPH."
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nsa wannabe Guest	Re: Arrested NSA Contractor Hal Martin "Passed at Least One Polygraph Test" Reply #1 - Oct 8^th, 2016 at 2:11am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	No surprise. Snowden passed his too. And all the leakers and insider threats passed their polygraph. Or...maybe once they are hired you can't really "fail" a polygraph. Which begs the question: When you are doing a pre-employment poly and get a "deception indicated", you don't get hired. When you are already employed in the IC and have a "deception indicated", but don't make an admission, what happens? I know you don't get fired, nor do you lose your clearance. So then what? Poly means nothing. As a polygraph victim myself, I am on a quest to inform everyone how to beat it, no matter what they are hiding. Don't make admissions or confessions to anything. Relax and realize it is all a fishing expedition and interrogation and the polygraphers don't know anything. Think shocking thoughts on various sets of relevant questions if you have the relevant/irrelevant test. Think shocking thoughts on control questions if you have the relevant/control test. Cooperate and make a good impression and play the games during the pre and post test, smile, and win! Cheat it and beat it, because it is a stupid machine that deserves to be beat by everyone, no matter what.


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Doug Williams Especially Senior User Offline Posts: 284 Joined: Feb 15^th, 2007 Gender:	Re: Arrested NSA Contractor Hal Martin "Passed at Least One Polygraph Test" Reply #2 - Oct 8^th, 2016 at 7:32am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	I am reminded of the statement made by Mr. Clapper about the need to expand polygraph testing. He said it was needed "to stop the next Edward Snowden". I asked how the polygraph could stop the next Edward Snowden when it didn't stop the first Edward Snowden - who passed two polygraph tests. The Hal Martin case emphasizes once again the insanity of polygraph testing and proves the definition of insanity which is continuing to do the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome. Stop the insanity of polygraph "testing"!

	I have been fighting the thugs and charlatans in the polygraph industry for forty years. I tell about my crusade against the insidious Orwellian polygraph industry in my book FALSE CONFESSIONS - THE TRUE STORY OF DOUG WILLIAMS' CRUSADE AGAINST THE ORWELLIAN POLYGRAPH INDUSTRY. Please visit my website POLYGRAPH.COM and follow me on TWITTER @DougWilliams_PG Doug Williams
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username007 Guest	Re: Arrested NSA Contractor Hal Martin "Passed at Least One Polygraph Test" Reply #3 - Oct 8^th, 2016 at 11:40am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Whoa, it's a ghost! I thought Doug Williams was dead...err...I mean in jail?! If this is the real Doug, when did you get out and how much time did you have to serve?


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George W. Maschke Global Moderator Offline Make-believe science yields make-believe security. Posts: 6211 Joined: Sep 29^th, 2000	Re: Arrested NSA Contractor Hal Martin "Passed at Least One Polygraph Test" Reply #4 - Oct 8^th, 2016 at 11:56am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Quote: Whoa, it's a ghost! I thought Doug Williams was dead...err...I mean in jail?! If this is the real Doug, when did you get out and how much time did you have to serve? Doug is regrettably still in prison. I'm in communication with him via e-mail. I forwarded him this message thread and posted his reply on his behalf.

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username007 Guest	Re: Arrested NSA Contractor Hal Martin "Passed at Least One Polygraph Test" Reply #5 - Oct 8^th, 2016 at 12:10pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	I'm surprised they let Doug have communication with you, George, or anything to do with antipolygraph.org while in prison since was sent to prison for teaching how to beat the poly.


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Aunty Agony Very Senior User Offline Posts: 143 Joined: Aug 15^th, 2011	Re: Arrested NSA Contractor Hal Martin "Passed at Least One Polygraph Test" Reply #6 - Oct 8^th, 2016 at 7:00pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Quote: I'm surprised they let Doug have communication with you, George, or anything to do with antipolygraph.org while in prison since was sent to prison for teaching how to beat the poly. Doug Williams was not sent to prison for teaching how to beat the poly. Doug Williams was persecuted by a rogue bureau of the U.S. government for being popular and effective. Unfortunately he was entrapped into conspiring and abetting lying to due authorities. This gave his powerful enemies the leverage to impose a conviction and send him to jail. Naturally, any convict is going to be monitored lest he continue to commit similar crimes while incarcerated. I'm sure that Doug is no exception, and he is closely watched to prevent him hatching additional plots to conspire and abet lying to due authorities from inside the joint. But his jailers do not care about any of this polygraph stuff because, as far as the DOJ is concerned, it has nothing to do with his conviction. No one can be sent to prison for teaching how to beat the poly, since teaching how to beat the poly is not a crime. Aunty just likes to keep the public record accurate.
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quickfix Especially Senior User Offline Posts: 368 Joined: Jan 15^th, 2006	Re: Arrested NSA Contractor Hal Martin "Passed at Least One Polygraph Test" Reply #7 - Oct 8^th, 2016 at 7:30pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Aunty Agony wrote on Oct 8^th, 2016 at 7:00pm: Doug Williams was not sent to prison for teaching how to beat the poly. Of course he was. He pled guilty. Aunty Agony wrote on Oct 8^th, 2016 at 7:00pm: Doug Williams was persecuted by a rogue bureau of the U.S. government for being popular and effective. Unfortunately he was entrapped into conspiring and abetting lying to due authorities. It's prosecuted, not persecuted, and wasn't entrapped, he was a willing participant. Aunty Agony wrote on Oct 8^th, 2016 at 7:00pm: No one can be sent to prison for teaching how to beat the poly, since teaching how to beat the poly is not a crime. Really? I suppose Chad Dixon was also railroaded. Aunty Agony wrote on Oct 8^th, 2016 at 7:00pm: Aunty just likes to keep the public record accurate. Accurate according to you, fantasy to the real world.


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Aunty Agony Very Senior User Offline Posts: 143 Joined: Aug 15^th, 2011	Re: Arrested NSA Contractor Hal Martin "Passed at Least One Polygraph Test" Reply #8 - Oct 8^th, 2016 at 9:12pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Let us now see if quickfix can form a single cogent argument in support of a single coherent fact: quickfix wrote on Oct 8^th, 2016 at 7:30pm: He pled guilty To what crime did Doug Williams plead guilty?


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Doug Williams Especially Senior User Offline Posts: 284 Joined: Feb 15^th, 2007 Gender:	Re: Arrested NSA Contractor Hal Martin "Passed at Least One Polygraph Test" Reply #9 - Oct 9^th, 2016 at 7:45am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Quote: No surprise. Snowden passed his too. And all the leakers and insider threats passed their polygraph. Or...maybe once they are hired you can't really "fail" a polygraph. Which begs the question: When you are doing a pre-employment poly and get a "deception indicated", you don't get hired. When you are already employed in the IC and have a "deception indicated", but don't make an admission, what happens? I know you don't get fired, nor do you lose your clearance. So then what? Poly means nothing. As a polygraph victim myself, I am on a quest to inform everyone how to beat it, no matter what they are hiding. Don't make admissions or confessions to anything. Relax and realize it is all a fishing expedition and interrogation and the polygraphers don't know anything. Think shocking thoughts on various sets of relevant questions if you have the relevant/irrelevant test. Think shocking thoughts on control questions if you have the relevant/control test. Cooperate and make a good impression and play the games during the pre and post test, smile, and win! Cheat it and beat it, because it is a stupid machine that deserves to be beat by everyone, no matter what. Congratulations on your decision to embark on such a noble quest. I am in my 37th year of this same quest. But a word of caution - my quest has landed me in federal prison. See my post on George's blog entitled OPERATION LIE BUSTERS - A TRAVESTY OF JUSTICE.

	I have been fighting the thugs and charlatans in the polygraph industry for forty years. I tell about my crusade against the insidious Orwellian polygraph industry in my book FALSE CONFESSIONS - THE TRUE STORY OF DOUG WILLIAMS' CRUSADE AGAINST THE ORWELLIAN POLYGRAPH INDUSTRY. Please visit my website POLYGRAPH.COM and follow me on TWITTER @DougWilliams_PG Doug Williams
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quickfix Especially Senior User Offline Posts: 368 Joined: Jan 15^th, 2006	Re: Arrested NSA Contractor Hal Martin "Passed at Least One Polygraph Test" Reply #10 - Oct 9^th, 2016 at 1:29pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Aunty Agony wrote on Oct 8^th, 2016 at 9:12pm: To what crime did Doug Williams plead guilty? https://antipolygraph.org/blog/2015/05/14/u-s-v-doug-williams-day-2-doug-william... It's right here in George's own post.


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quickfix Especially Senior User Offline Posts: 368 Joined: Jan 15^th, 2006	Re: Arrested NSA Contractor Hal Martin "Passed at Least One Polygraph Test" Reply #11 - Oct 9^th, 2016 at 1:31pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Doug Williams wrote on Oct 9^th, 2016 at 7:45am: But a word of caution - my quest has landed me in federal prison. You mean your crime, not your quest, cockroach. Now get back to your cell, visiting hours are over.


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Aunty Agony Very Senior User Offline Posts: 143 Joined: Aug 15^th, 2011	Re: Arrested NSA Contractor Hal Martin "Passed at Least One Polygraph Test" Reply #12 - Oct 9^th, 2016 at 3:09pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	quickfix wrote on Oct 9^th, 2016 at 1:29pm: Aunty Agony wrote on Oct 8^th, 2016 at 9:12pm: To what crime did Doug Williams plead guilty? https://antipolygraph.org/blog/2015/05/14/u-s-v-doug-williams-day-2-doug-william... It's right here in George's own post. No, it isn't. The post describes the second day of the trial, during which the crime was not named. If you don't know the answer, just say you don't know the answer. To what crime did Doug Williams plead guilty?


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quickfix Especially Senior User Offline Posts: 368 Joined: Jan 15^th, 2006	Re: Arrested NSA Contractor Hal Martin "Passed at Least One Polygraph Test" Reply #13 - Oct 9^th, 2016 at 3:58pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	if you did your homework YOU would already know. https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/owner-polygraphcom-sentenced-two-years-prison-tra...


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Username007 Guest	Re: Arrested NSA Contractor Hal Martin "Passed at Least One Polygraph Test" Reply #14 - Oct 9^th, 2016 at 4:11pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Is the answer Mail Fraud and Witness tampering? It sounds like Aunty is right. Teaching how to beat the poly is not a crime. The feds had to come up with some other charges to get Doug. Can someone explain exactly what Doug did that constitutes Mail Fraud and Witness Tampering?


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