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Aug 9th, 2016 at 3:16pm
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Let's say you work for the federal government and your security clearance gets suspended or revoked for some reason, like even a non-polygraph reason.  Does this mean you would be free to smoke marijuana where legal, not report foreign contacts, travel to other countries and do whatever without reporting it, engage in prostitution where it is legal, and other naughty fun things?  Some agency's drug policy only drug tests those who hold sensitive positions to access classified information.  If your job yanks your security clearance away, then it seems like you would have more freedom to do all the naughty things you could not do otherwise.  Since you would not have a security clearance, they can not even give you security violations for mishandling classified information because you are not allowed to have it in the first place!  I guess the only thing you cannot do is discuss the classified that you do know about from when you had your clearance, but who cares about that.  Anybody have any opinion on this matter?
  
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Reply #1 - Aug 9th, 2016 at 5:35pm
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Let's say you work for the federal government and your security clearance gets suspended or revoked for some reason, like even a non-polygraph reason.  Does this mean you would be free to smoke marijuana where legal, not report foreign contacts, travel to other countries and do whatever without reporting it, engage in prostitution where it is legal, and other naughty fun things?  Some agency's drug policy only drug tests those who hold sensitive positions to access classified information.  If your job yanks your security clearance away, then it seems like you would have more freedom to do all the naughty things you could not do otherwise.  Since you would not have a security clearance, they can not even give you security violations for mishandling classified information because you are not allowed to have it in the first place!  I guess the only thing you cannot do is discuss the classified that you do know about from when you had your clearance, but who cares about that.  Anybody have any opinion on this matter?


Wouldn't the loss of security clearance be tantamount to loss of the job?

In that case, you certainly are a "free man" once again! Wink
  

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Reply #2 - Aug 9th, 2016 at 8:19pm
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xenonman wrote on Aug 9th, 2016 at 5:35pm:
Wouldn't the loss of security clearance be tantamount to loss of the job?

In that case, you certainly are a "free man" once again! Wink


Not exactly.  Some jobs have unclassified offices that are like holding cells to place bad employees in time-out.  So you can still do unclassified work, however quite trivial, while your situation is investigated by the good ol' boys who think they are so high and mighty because they have never been caught.  Besides, in the federal government, it is VERY difficult to fire someone.  Unlike in the private sector.  So a person who loses their clearance still has a job and gets a paycheck and benefits, while they sit on their butts at work browsing facebook and looking for other better jobs as they taxpayers' money.

It actually feels good to be a "free man" again.  Bring on the drugs, hookers, and Chinese and Russian honeytrap women!  I may never want a clearance again! 

  
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Reply #3 - Aug 10th, 2016 at 1:12am
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xenonman wrote on Aug 9th, 2016 at 5:35pm:
Does this mean you would be free to smoke marijuana where legal, not report foreign contacts, travel to other countries and do whatever without reporting it, engage in prostitution where it is legal, and other naughty fun things?

Are you trying to tell us that the only reason you refrained from toking weed, boinking Mexican whores, driving drunk, and muling blow from Albania, is because you wanted to protect your access to sensitive and classified government information?

Some people make Aunty wish that the polygraph did work.
  
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Reply #4 - Aug 10th, 2016 at 2:30am
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xenonman wrote on Aug 9th, 2016 at 5:35pm:
Wouldn't the loss of security clearance be tantamount to loss of the job?

What you're saying is interesting. Maybe that would explain why most of the people at the CIA whose jobs entail public contact (those who process applicants for example) are so incompetent.  Huh




In that case, you certainly are a "free man" once again! Wink


Not exactly.  Some jobs have unclassified offices that are like holding cells to place bad employees in time-out.  So you can still do unclassified work, however quite trivial, while your situation is investigated by the good ol' boys who think they are so high and mighty because they have never been caught.  Besides, in the federal government, it is VERY difficult to fire someone.  Unlike in the private sector.  So a person who loses their clearance still has a job and gets a paycheck and benefits, while they sit on their butts at work browsing facebook and looking for other better jobs as they taxpayers' money.

It actually feels good to be a "free man" again.  Bring on the drugs, hookers, and Chinese and Russian honeytrap women!  I may never want a clearance again! 


  

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What you're saying is very interesting. Maybe that would explain why most of the people at the CIA whose jobs entail public contact (those who process applicants for example) are so incompetent.  Huh






Not exactly.  Some jobs have unclassified offices that are like holding cells to place bad employees in time-out.  So you can still do unclassified work, however quite trivial, while your situation is investigated by the good ol' boys who think they are so high and mighty because they have never been caught.  Besides, in the federal government, it is VERY difficult to fire someone.  Unlike in the private sector.  So a person who loses their clearance still has a job and gets a paycheck and benefits, while they sit on their butts at work browsing facebook and looking for other better jobs as they taxpayers' money.

It actually feels good to be a "free man" again.  Bring on the drugs, hookers, and Chinese and Russian honeytrap women!  I may never want a clearance again! 


  

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Reply #6 - Aug 10th, 2016 at 2:37am
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xenonman wrote on Aug 10th, 2016 at 2:32am:
Not exactly.  Some jobs have unclassified offices that are like holding cells to place bad employees in time-out.  So you can still do unclassified work, however quite trivial, while your situation is investigated by the good ol' boys who think they are so high and mighty because they have never been caught.  Besides, in the federal government, it is VERY difficult to fire someone.  Unlike in the private sector.  So a person who loses their clearance still has a job and gets a paycheck and benefits, while they sit on their butts at work browsing facebook and looking for other better jobs as they taxpayers' money.

It actually feels good to be a "free man" again.  Bring on the drugs, hookers, and Chinese and Russian honeytrap women!  I may never want a clearance again!


The next time that I'm in DC, you'll have to take me around and introduce me to some of the SVR (ex-KGB) honeypot women!  lol Grin
  

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Reply #7 - Aug 10th, 2016 at 2:41am
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Aunty Agony wrote on Aug 10th, 2016 at 1:12am:
xenonman wrote on Aug 9th, 2016 at 5:35pm:
Does this mean you would be free to smoke marijuana where legal, not report foreign contacts, travel to other countries and do whatever without reporting it, engage in prostitution where it is legal, and other naughty fun things?

Are you trying to tell us that the only reason you refrained from toking weed, boinking Mexican whores, driving drunk, and muling blow from Albania, is because you wanted to protect your access to sensitive and classified government information?

Some people make Aunty wish that the polygraph did work.


Well at least he waited until he no longer had that access to the classified stuff before planning his future debauchery! Grin
  

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Reply #8 - Aug 16th, 2016 at 3:06pm
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Another point:  Isn't the CIA, as an example, largely removed from federal civil service requirements governing hiring/firing?

The one exception is that the "Agency" does use the civil service "General Scale" for compensation purposes, except that the CIA starts employees at TWO FULL GS grades above those for entry-level employees at "open" federal agencies for new hires with similar levels of education.  Huh
  

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Reply #9 - Aug 31st, 2016 at 1:50pm
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Aunty Agony wrote on Aug 10th, 2016 at 1:12am:
xenonman wrote on Aug 9th, 2016 at 5:35pm:
Does this mean you would be free to smoke marijuana where legal, not report foreign contacts, travel to other countries and do whatever without reporting it, engage in prostitution where it is legal, and other naughty fun things?

Are you trying to tell us that the only reason you refrained from toking weed, boinking Mexican whores, driving drunk, and muling blow from Albania, is because you wanted to protect your access to sensitive and classified government information?

Some people make Aunty wish that the polygraph did work.


How good is that white powder from Albania?  LOL Cheesy
  

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