11x-RANGER wrote on May 14^th, 2013 at 2:37am:


The CBP Polygraph operators are out of control (as are all of these con men).  I suggest you contact this attorney:

http://pilotlawcorp.com/staff/brian-j-lawler-founder-and-shareholder/


He is assisting Vets who are filing a class action lawsuit against the CBP polygraph unit.

I dont understand why spend 3-4000 on processing. i went to through the same process and did not spend any penny. i went through polygraph. I never did anything wrong and i passed it. You can nod  your head while polygraph testing. any movement will fail you. I see that you said you never did anything wrong but smoked pot???? come on dude.....

George W. Maschke wrote on Oct 18^th, 2013 at 5:35pm:
   
I agree with you George, but with one slight exception, I think this guy is already a polygraph operator. Just another troll wasting tax payers money. Probably from the CBP office of credibility assessment. 

It's a shame and it extremely saddens that so many veterans have been rejected from CBP supposedly for lying during the polygraph examination. I am also a US Army veteran; ever since I was about 12 years old I made my career goal to become a US Border Patrol agent. Once I turned 18 I thought that it would be a great idea to get a BA in criminal justice and join the military in order to get some experience in that field as well. So I joined as a Military Policeman and eventually became a Military Police Investigator after attending a couple of schools. I obtained a BA in criminal justice, a top secret clearance and deployed to Afghanistan twice for a year on each occasion. I served 8 years in the military and after getting out applied for BP. A few weeks ago I went to my polygraph examination for Border Patrol after having passed absolutely everything and had been waiting on them for 3 years. My experience was very similar to 11xranger, the special agent pretended to act like my buddy and was very friendly at first. I have never been involved in any type of criminal activities nor used any type of drugs in my whole life. Ever since I was a kid I have been extremely responsible and wanted to follow a right path by being a law abiding citizen 100%. I've always had in the back of my mind that I wanted to work in the law enforcement field and that I had to hold myself to those standards. 

The questions that were asked to me were very broad and on several occasions I had problems and was told that I was lying. For example I was asked if I had ever stolen anything. Right away I knew that I had never done such a thing but once I got hooked up to the machine I would start second guessing myself and getting nervous. I would then dig deep inside the back of my mind to try to remember if I had done such a thing in the past. After that portion of the test was completed I was told that I had failed that question. I proceeded to tell the examiner that that was kind of a broad question and told him that I may have possibly stolen a few things in the past. Things like an apple from a co-worker that may have been sitting in a fridge at work, a pen from a hotel, lotion from a hotel and so on. The examiner told me that he wasn't referring to those kind of things; he said that he meant valuable objects such of $500 dollars and over. He then later asked me the question again and I passed it. I had trouble with about 3 other questions the same way and each time that he told me that I was lying and I explained to him what might have caused that, he would ask me the questions again and I would pass them. Around 3pm I was told that I was going to be asked 5 more questions about National Security concern and I would be done with the examination. I became very excited and happy knowing that everything was going well so far, I was about to be done and that the topic that we were about to discuss would absolutely not make me second guess myself whatsoever during the questioning. As we commenced with the last portion of the test I was asked questions such as are you a terrorist?, do you have foreign contacts with whom you are involved in criminal activities? and things of that sort. After we were done the examiner told me that the machine had gone crazy when he asked one question in particular and he then said that I had failed. I was EXTREMELY HONEST during the whole process and even disclosed things that weren't even asked nor even possibly mattered just to get of my chest since I felt guilty for doing. Such as lying to a girlfriend once and having gone to a strip club while dating her. I believe that if any... that might be the biggest sin which I could be accused of. 

I am extremely angry and disappointed with the fact that so many good candidates have been rejected from CBP after falsely being called liars after their polygraph examinations. I was myself called a liar, a terrorist and a traitor to my country. A country which I love and after having served for 8 years wanted to continue to serve as a Border Patrol agent. I am a patriot and would do absolutely anything for my country and would volunteer in a heartbeat to serve in the frontline no matter how many times are necessary in order to defend it. But now I am called a traior to my beloved country, a terrorist and a liar by an incompetent special agent and a stupid machine? Being a Border Patrol Agent has been one of my goals and dreams in life. Just yesterday I received an email stating that in a few weeks I will receive an official letter withdrawing my application from CBP with no chance to appeal and that if I wish to reapply I will have to wait 3 years. I will apply in 3 years ago since I am not going to quit on my dream of becoming a Border Patrol agent; in the meantime I will pursue another of my dreams which is to be an Army Ranger and serve in the 75th Ranger Regiment. I cant see myself doing anything in life but serving my country by protecting it and fighting for it. 

I feel extremely disappointed and cheated by CBP and would like to file a lawsuit. Could anyone let me know if doing such a thing is possible and if so how should I go about doing it. This needs to stop; US citizens can just sit back and let the government falsely accuse them of criminals and liars and manipulate them in anyway that they want.

Thank you very much!

All these stories are unfortunate including the douche that thinks you are a life long criminal because you smoked pot.

Here is a story for you.... I am a US Navy veteran that served 14 honorable years. I was recently Illegally separated by the Navy under the ERB program. My contract was cut short even though I still had 13 months left on my contract. I got out of the service and  passed all the Ventura County Sheriffs tests and evaluations, including a polygraph by a person who has been doing them for over 30+ yrs. Unfortunately during the Academy I injured my shoulder and had to leave because of the medical treatment I had undergo. One day I received an e-mail stating that I had a polygraph for a CBP Officer position that I had been processing for over a year and a half (prior to my discharge). I figured this was a second chance. When I arrived to the the office that the polygraphs were being performed in I noticed that it was not well set up for a polygraph. The administrator was really nice and spoke very politely. It was all good until he asked me about secret documents. I had never handled secret documents so i don't even remember answering the question in the first place. He started drilling me, and telling me every other question was fine but the question about handling secret documents. I explained to him that I had never handled secret documents, but he insisted I did. He told me that If I didn't tell him about the secret documents he was going to fail me. I finally told him that I would be lying if I told him I have ever seen secret documents. Needless to say he said I failed, let me out his office, and that was the last I heard from the CBP. I don't know what kind of people they are using to administer these polygraphs but  They need a hell of a lot more training.

Doug,

There is legal recourse against polygraphers and no lawyer seems to consider this approach. They can be charged with "DELIBERATLY SLANDERING BY FALSE ACCUSATION". A thesaurus offers many alternate terms under this subject. In a court of law, a polygraph operator would have to prove his accusation that his subject was a liar. I would think any jury would favor the testee if the polygrapher could not prove his accusation because it destroyed the testee's chosen employment opportunities and his integrity was compromised. I will not get into the federal statute under which the lawsuit can be brought because they are extensive. This has to be done in federal court and any federal lawyer "should" know them. Forget a judge's decision because they will rule for the government most of the time regardless of the evidence or lack of.

Doug,

I have posted this, on this type of info, on this site starting years ago. I tried, in vain, to get someone who had failed their poly to file a federal complaint. I even offered to help with their brief if they wanted to file pro se. No takers. However, now that crook Holder is A.G., these cases must be argued before a federal jury. NOT A FEDERAL JUDGE. Not being a BAR lawyer, I cannot argue a case. If I could, I would win one of these. I have won ADA - Sec. 504 Rehab. Act lawsuits (my specialty) before and wasn't able to argue the case. All these things require is: KNOWLEDGE AND GUTS.

I'm surprised that Mark Zaid didn't pick up on my posts. However, lawyers don't think they need advice. He lost.