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Reply #60 - May 10th, 2017 at 3:12pm
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Fact straight from the horse's mouth (more like the horse's ass): If you fail the CIA polygraph, either through disqualifying admissions or some other crap, you are blacklisted from ever gaining CIA employment for the rest of your life. Unless you can change your name and SSN. If you reapply, the Office of Security gets their dirty fingers in the mix early in the process, and if you are selected for recruitment, they run your SSN for a preliminary check before your COE. When your polygraph history shows up, you are instantly rejected.  This info is straight from CIA. Don't believe that stuff about reapplying in one year, you can, but you have no chance of getting in.


EXACTLY!   The same is also true if one has "failed" the BI, no matter how incompetently or unfairly it was conducted.  The recruiters have no knowledge of, much less play any role in whatever the Office of Security ultimately decides.

I was, on more than one occasion, told by Agency recruiters that I was a likely candidate for an offer of employment, based on my qualifications and interests. On one occasion, I was even approached by the Agency (and not the other way around!), with respect to employment.  Unfortunately those prospects were f*cked up by the results of a previous BI still on file at the Office of Security from an old application made to their summer college "intern" program.

Thank you, Snowdens I and II,  for your valiant efforts to expose the hiring scams run by Langley and Ft. Meade.  I only wish that I'd been smart enough to think of trying to re-apply with a new SSN!  LOL   Cheesy Grin

I sincerely hope to have fulfilled the wishes of the polygraph examiner I dealt with at Langley, who once asked if my intent in applying to work there was to cause the Agency "harm".  In those naive days, I had absolutely no idea as to what he meant, nor why an applicant for employment would want to even consider performing such a nefarious deed. 

Now, countless years older and infinitely wiser, I propose to spend every one of my remaining days to fulfill the worthy expectation that this charlatan/polygrapher so nobly instilled in me so many years ago.  Cool
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Reply #61 - May 10th, 2017 at 3:38pm
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Fact straight from the horse's mouth (more like the horse's ass): If you fail the CIA polygraph, either through disqualifying admissions or some other crap, you are blacklisted from ever gaining CIA employment for the rest of your life. Unless you can change your name and SSN. If you reapply, the Office of Security gets their dirty fingers in the mix early in the process, and if you are selected for recruitment, they run your SSN for a preliminary check before your COE. When your polygraph history shows up, you are instantly rejected.  This info is straight from CIA. Don't believe that stuff about reapplying in one year, you can, but you have no chance of getting in.


When you state that this information is "straight from CIA," what precisely do you mean? Is it stated in a policy document? If so, can you provide a copy? If not, how do you know this?
  

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Reply #62 - May 10th, 2017 at 4:59pm
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Fact straight from the horse's mouth (more like the horse's ass): If you fail the CIA polygraph, either through disqualifying admissions or some other crap, you are blacklisted from ever gaining CIA employment for the rest of your life. Unless you can change your name and SSN. If you reapply, the Office of Security gets their dirty fingers in the mix early in the process, and if you are selected for recruitment, they run your SSN for a preliminary check before your COE. When your polygraph history shows up, you are instantly rejected.  This info is straight from CIA. Don't believe that stuff about reapplying in one year, you can, but you have no chance of getting in.


When you state that this information is "straight from CIA," what precisely do you mean? Is it stated in a policy document? If so, can you provide a copy? If not, how do you know this?


I'd be interested in knowing too.  Irrespective of its source, the information mirrors my experiences completely!  Sad
  

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Reply #63 - May 10th, 2017 at 7:29pm
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George W. Maschke wrote on May 10th, 2017 at 3:38pm:
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Fact straight from the horse's mouth (more like the horse's ass): If you fail the CIA polygraph, either through disqualifying admissions or some other crap, you are blacklisted from ever gaining CIA employment for the rest of your life. Unless you can change your name and SSN. If you reapply, the Office of Security gets their dirty fingers in the mix early in the process, and if you are selected for recruitment, they run your SSN for a preliminary check before your COE. When your polygraph history shows up, you are instantly rejected.  This info is straight from CIA. Don't believe that stuff about reapplying in one year, you can, but you have no chance of getting in.


When you state that this information is "straight from CIA," what precisely do you mean? Is it stated in a policy document? If so, can you provide a copy? If not, how do you know this?


I was told by the CIA employee who answered the phone at the Recruitment Center that day.  This is my fate, I am blacklisted. I did not get the response in writing.  Ironically, when I called some time later to see if I would be told the same thing, they would not give me any information. It is almost as if I was lucky enough to get a new employee that day on the phone who did not know what he could or could not tell me, and he was probably later reprimanded for telling me too much. I probed and got him to dig a bit, and he said my rejection had something to do with my previous rejection from many years ago. I asked about the "one year reapplying rule" since my polygraph shit storm was several years prior, and was told that it didn't matter. The Office of Security put an X on my application, even though the office that recruited me wanted to give me another COE. They were surprised my application did not get closed sooner.  I asked if it was even worth me ever reapplying now, and I was told NO.
  
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Reply #64 - May 24th, 2017 at 9:15am
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"one year reapplying rule" since my polygraph shit storm was several years prior,



No, it's now been changed to the 100-year reapplying rule!
In any case, the Office of Security acts independently of the recruiters and/or other Agency staff, as I can personally attest.
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Reply #65 - Oct 5th, 2017 at 11:06pm
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Is it a crime to post your CIA interview process documents online, and other recruitment documents that were sent to you by CIA, NSA, DIA, FBI, DEA, etc.?  None of these documents are classified and they get sent through the unsecure internet into a person's free email service inbox.  Generally the documents just tell your interview location, times, polygraph and medical appointment details, and the like.  What about posting a copy of your FOIA'd background check file?  Any crime in doing this, will the feds come and bust through a rejected applicant's door if he/she posts all of their recruitment docs?  I have seen other people do this, particularly Lynnae Williams, and she was never busted.
  
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Reply #66 - Oct 8th, 2017 at 12:19pm
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Yes, Lynnae's site and her story are both absolutely fascinating.

It's really awful when all that someone has worked so hard for is so quickly and ruthlessly swept away by a vengeful organization.

Since anything released by the IC agencies through the FOIA/PA are already so heavily redacted, I strongly doubt that their disclosure or publication to others would ever be considered a security issue.

  
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Reply #67 - yesterday at 4:14am
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Bill_Brown wrote on Oct 15th, 2011 at 12:56am:
You may not be aware of polygraph use in Europe, check this link and become more educated about Europe and Polygraph.

http://books.google.com/books?id=Qp5oYrody-AC&pg=PA31&lpg=PA31&dq=european+polyg... polygraph law&f=false

  
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Reply #68 - yesterday at 6:06am
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I really wanted to work for the CIA but I also knew that my chances were pretty slim. The physical examination was the most through I was ever subjected to. The doctor just told me what she wanted me to do and gave the results to an attendant who recorded them on a chart. I do remember having my blood pressure checked sitting in both arms,standing in left arm and prone in the right arm. The doctor checked my breasts and then did a internal exam. This was most unpleasant. After doing that,she left the room and the assistant told me I could get dressed. No mention was made as to my passing the physical and I didn't ask.  That afternoon I was given my first polygraph. The examiner was a woman who went right to the point. She explained that the machine was very advanced and could detect any form of deception. I was then asked if I had ever been polygraphed before. She said the whole purpose of the examination was to determine the truth. She then proceeded to attach a rubber tube above my breasts and one around my stomach. A cardiocuff was wrapped around my upper left arm. I started to feel apprehensive and had some palpations but I managed to calm myself. Skin sensers were attached to two fingers on my left hand and one larger one that covered about a third of my middle finger on my right hand. I should mention that there was a pad on the chair that I sat on and another where my feet rested(I had been asked to remove my high heels). I learned later that these devices and ones built into the arms of the chair detected even the slightest of movement. The examiner sat behind and to right of me. After I was hooked up to the machine, she again urged me to tell the truth. I was to answer all questions truthfully and quickly with a yes or no. I was instructed to sit perfectly still and keep my feet flat on the floor. She then said "I'm going to inflate the cuff." I felt the pressure of it instantly but it wasn't as tight as when your blood pressure is being checked. More than a minute went by before the first question. I assume she was getting a baseline reading. I felt rather calm. She went after me right away. The first question, "Is your middle name Ashley?" (yes) was followed by "Did you graduate from college?" (yes)  Are you now or have you ever been in a relationship with another woman?" (no). Do you wear corrective lenses?" (yes)  "Do you practice masturbation?" (yes). "Did your steal from your mother's purse when you were young?" (no). "Did you steal from your last employer?" (no).  "Did you ever have a relationship with a married man?" (no).  "Are you 26 years of age?" (yes). "In you last relationship with a male did you have oral or anal sex?" (no). "Did you answer all the questions for your medical history truthfully?" (yes). "Are you taking any medications for your heart or blood pressure?". (no) "Is your mother's name Stephanie?". (yes)  This dual went on for over forty five minutes. She stopped the examination, deflated the cuff and left the room. I sat completely still. I knew she was watching me through a mirror or on camera. When she returned, she stressed the need to tell the truth. "Its important that you answer all questions truthfully." This is where they attempt to pry information out of you. They want to give you the feeling they know you are "lying"  Actually, I was telling the truth!  She inflated the cuff and off we went for round two.The last question in this session was this: "Your charts indicate some deception".  Does this surprise you?" (yes). With the test over, she unhooked from the machine and thanked me for taking the test. I slipped on my shoes and left.
  
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Reply #69 - yesterday at 9:42am
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Annette,

Thank you for sharing your experience with the CIA polygraph. I would be interested to know, if you don't mind sharing, approximately how long ago this was? For example, was it this year, last year, about five years ago?
  

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Thank you for sharing your experience with the CIA polygraph.

You mean thank you for sharing your fantasy.  Masturbation?  Oral or anal sex?  Adultery? George, surely you can't believe these questions would ever be asked on an applicant exam by the CIA or any federal agency.  Not only are they not part of any preemployment polygraph exam, these topics are strictly prohibited from even being discussed per DOD regs.  "Annette's" story is nothing more that pure bullshit.
  
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George W. Maschke wrote yesterday at 9:42am:
Thank you for sharing your experience with the CIA polygraph.

You mean thank you for sharing your fantasy.  Masturbation?  Oral or anal sex?  Adultery? George, surely you can't believe these questions would ever be asked on an applicant exam by the CIA or any federal agency.  Not only are they not part of any preemployment polygraph exam, these topics are strictly prohibited from even being discussed per DOD regs.  "Annette's" story is nothing more that pure bullshit.


I would very much like that to be true. But when I applied for a graduate internship with the CIA in the early 1990s, an applicant for CIA employment staying in the same Tyson's Corner motel as I was told me she was asked similar questions during her polygraph interrogation. She had no reason to lie to me about that.

I haven't heard stories like that in recent years. Hence my question for Annette regarding the time frame during which her polygraph experience took place.
  

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Reply #72 - yesterday at 6:19pm
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This is one of the few times I agree with quickfix.

Annette's story is in gory detail, as though the polygraph is recent when memories are fresh.

I can believe that intimate sexual questions would have been asked some time ago, maybe 20 years or so.

The one CIA polygraph question that comes to mind:  "Have you ever had sex with a farm animal?"
  
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Evan S wrote yesterday at 6:19pm:
This is one of the few times I agree with quickfix.

Annette's story is in gory detail, as though the polygraph is recent when memories are fresh.

I can believe that intimate sexual questions would have been asked some time ago, maybe 20 years or so.

The one CIA polygraph question that comes to mind:  "Have you ever had sex with a farm animal?"


I haven't heard about CIA polygraphers asking questions about sex with a farm animal. Have you? The one agency that I know has allegedly asked this question is the U.S. Secret Service.

I would like to hear more from Annette. Whatever else is true, we know that the CIA is an agency that, within the past 20 years, has engaged in kidnapping, torture (including torture to death), and assassination. The asking of the kind of questions that Annette recounts are tame by comparison.
  

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I too would like more detail from Annette.  I took the CIA polygraph a few years ago and was not asked a single sexual-question...until the post-test/interrogation where the polygrapher just took a shot in the dark and asked me if I looked at some "pictures".  He did not say porn, but I knew what he meant.  So I proudly replied that I do look at porn, legal stuff, only at home.  I probably should have first made the polygrapher tell me what "pictures" he was referring to.  My CIA polygraph drilled me on criminal activity, and I know why.  Of course, I failed and was denied clearance and lost the job offer.  I didn't confess to anyting, but was suspected of deception and countermeasures.  This was during the Obama days.

Could the CIA have changed their policies in the Trump days and allowed for sex questions to be asked now when they think it is appropriate? 
  
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