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Reply #45 - Apr 30th, 2011 at 5:51pm
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pailryder wrote on Apr 30th, 2011 at 12:49pm:
Love that new avatar!Not bad for an old guy.Haven't seen one that grandiose since Lethe and EosJupiter were retired. 

Thanks. You're going to love my book even more when it's published. I'll give you a signed copy.
  
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Reply #46 - Apr 30th, 2011 at 7:16pm
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I would suggest a study using a format similar to that in the Otter-Henderson/Honts/Amato study.  Rather than only looking at truth and deception, look at countermeasures.  The examiners would be told the examinations were for employment purposes. 

I believe this was published in about 2003.
  
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Reply #47 - May 1st, 2011 at 11:14am
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Thanks, I look forward to that.  I am sure I will learn a great deal from your book.  I am saving a spot in my library between A Tremor in the Blood and my unbound copy of The Lie Behind the Lie Detector Test.
  

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Reply #48 - Jun 7th, 2016 at 7:16pm
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Hello I tool a polygraph and was so nervous my anxiety was over the top. They ask me three questions that I knew I didn't do. I failed two and I'm devastated I tried so hard but my anxiety level and the polygraph pumping my arm made my heart rate jump.
  
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I failed two and I'm devastated I tried so hard but my anxiety level and the polygraph pumping my arm made my heart rate jump.

The polygraph technique does not allow for failing individual questions. A decision can only be rendered on the entire exam.
  
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Reply #50 - Jun 7th, 2016 at 11:38pm
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The polygraph technique does not allow for failing individual questions. A decision can only be rendered on the entire exam.


That's the theory, but in practice, polygraph operators routinely make split calls --irrespective of "model policy." This is a big problem, especially in PCSOT.
  
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Reply #51 - Jun 7th, 2016 at 11:54pm
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Dan, if this is true, then they are rotten to the core. There is no research supporting this practice. All the more reason for you to toss your hat in. You are sorely needed in the APA.
  
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Reply #52 - Jun 7th, 2016 at 11:59pm
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I'm in, Ark. Haven't any of your harem members shared the latest APA magazine with you yet?

  
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Reply #53 - Jun 8th, 2016 at 12:05am
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Yes, I have it. I'll take a look. This is good news.
  
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Reply #54 - Jun 8th, 2016 at 12:17am
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Okay, I looked over your write up. Although it's a slightly tamer version of the Dan Mangan we know here, it's still quite provocative. I think it will shake some foundations.

Why are only 2 people running?

Why no mention of the countermeasure challenge?
  
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Reply #55 - Jun 8th, 2016 at 12:52am
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Ark, I don't know why only two members are running for APA president-elect. Evidently, no one else was nominated.

As for the countermeasure challenge, it's contained in my candidate statement. Look at point two of my platform...

2. Open-book research, including an ongoing countermeasure challenge series integral to APA seminars, designed to reveal polygraph's real-world accuracy and expose the wide variations in examiner competence

By the way, yesterday I invited my esteemed opponent, APA Director Jamie McCloughan, to debate the issues with me right here on A-P.

I have yet to hear from Mr. McCloughan, although my proposal has been condemned by at least two of the APA politicos who I copied on my email to Mr. McCloughan.

Let the games begin.
  
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Reply #56 - Jun 8th, 2016 at 2:06am
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Dan Mangan wrote on Jun 8th, 2016 at 12:52am:
I invited my esteemed opponent, APA Director Jamie McCloughan, to debate the issues with me right here on A-P.

That's a great idea. I've tried to bring a sense of moderation to A-P. In the past, the polarization accomplished very little beyond unproductive vitriol. The debate would be healthy and good for all concerned.
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Reply #57 - Jun 8th, 2016 at 1:55pm
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IEx Member wrote on Jun 8th, 2016 at 2:06am:
The debate would be healthy and good for all concerned.
                   



Indeed.

There are many APA members -- including president Walt Goodson -- who feel that a 500-word statement alone is insufficient for voters to get a sense of what a given candidate is all about.

An interactive debate on the world's largest and most authoritative polygraph web site --- www.antipolygraph.org -- would go a long way in remedying that informational shortcoming.

Later today I will start a separate thread under the "announcements" section of this forum, and again invite Mr McCloughan to join me here to debate the issues. I will also post my 500-word candidate statement as it appears in the current APA magazine.

Next month's APA elections could result in a watershed outcome. APA members have a right to know who is "dedicated to truth" (as the organization's motto goes), and who is not.

A candid and vigorous debate will shed some much-needed light on that key aspect of APA politics.
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Reply #58 - Jun 8th, 2016 at 4:01pm
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Dan,

Almost a decade and half ago, on this blog, George Maschke and I engaged in a rather extensive and protracted discussion with J.B. (Jamie) McCloughan regarding polygraph validity (https://antipolygraph.org/cgi-bin/forums/YaBB.pl?num=1011498360/0). ; Perhaps you might want to review that thread and propose that you and he revisit/update the issue(s) addressed as a part of your proposed candidate's debate.
  
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Reply #59 - Jan 21st, 2017 at 7:12pm
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Well in my situation i told the truth on a post conviction Polygraph and they said i flat out lied. So after that I had to do SO classes yuck so my lawyer told me to go with the flow and I did I didn't know about this website but I figured If i was telling the truth originally then i would start lying on future polygraphs hell I didnt change anything had computers when I wasn't supposed to saw hookers porn did what I pleased but i was careful so then when it came time for the polygraph I simply went in and flat out lied on every question except for the control questions and i went on to pass 8 straight polygraphs. Then I finished up the class and I was released from classes and probation so long story short I was convicted of a he said she said situation and it was my fault as far as going to the cops telling my side and got screwed over royally now I don't trust cops nor will i ever help them I despise them. Oh and the polygraphs are nothing more then a witchhunt and moneymaker i don't care what anyone says whether your a SO or not this system is useless it doesn't help anyone!!
  
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