All I have to say is I studied the book "The Lie Behind The Lie Detector" for two months straight. I read the whole thing almost six times over and practiced the countermeasures everyday while at my current job and while driving and doing other things. Pretty much every chance I got. The biggest key I found was identifying the control questions. Once you know what the control questions are, you can create a huge response. The control questions I was asked was were my first and last name and "did you drive here" and "up to the age of 25 have you ever cheated or lied to an authority". These were some pretty obvious control questions. I made my chart go nuts. I was hooked up to a computer and I swear the polygrapher did all the cliche things mentioned in the book. I am telling you folks that book really works. I bent a lot of the truth. I had the police department I am applying for think I was Jesus Christ himself. This book is awsome. Thanks ANTIPOLYGRAPH.ORG You guys freaking rock and now I am well on my way to having a career I can be proud of. You have to really study what the book says. Like I said earlier, the most important thing is to create a big response on the control questions and to stay calm for the rest.  It was so simple. The polygraph is pure witchcraft/black magic. The greatest thing about the book is that it really puts you in control of the polygraph results. I made the polygraph do exactly what I wanted it to do. To hell with Doug Williams, what a waste of money, especially when this book is free. Thanks again ANTIPOLYGRAPH.ORG!!!!!!!

"did you drive here" I cosidered to be a control question because it was the next question after "Have you ever cheated" Because "Did you drive here" would be "the truth" when I said yes and "Have you ever cheated" was a "Lie" when I said no.  The polygrapher got the same response for both. That way he had no real foundation between my chart responses for a lie and the truth. Then I maintained my breathing and sung "Safe Home" by Anthrax in my head while answering the relevant questions while concentrating on one spot on the wall.  I gave the polygrapher nothing to work with. The CM's I used where the breathing control and mentaly keeping my brain away from deep thought while being asked relevant questions. I used tounge biting, sphincter contractions and irregular breathing for the control questions. So there were nothing but calm and normal chart responses for the relevant questions and irregular responses for the control questions. The irrelevent questions I considered control questions. The irrelevent questions can't hurt you unless you lie and that can put you in a weird situation I would imagine. I guess the real key for me was I gave the polygrapher nothing to base a lie off of.

Yes I see there are a lot of peolpe who will doubt what I am saying but it does not change the fact that I passed and I lied like crazy. You are probably a polygrapher. Yes the book doesn't say a lot of things and yes there are no guarantees with this book. But I passed today using what I learned from the book plus putting in my own logic. I will not change my post and I will not register under a new name. I have nothing to hide from you or anyone else. I am simply sharing my experience. Yes the book really worked for me. And I know it worked for others. So what I minipulated the chart. Who cares if you are bitter for whatever reason. I BEAT THAT USELESS PIECE OF JUNK BOX. What I learned today is that polygraphers are losers. Its sad that they get paid for absolutley nothing. What a waste of tax dollars. I am happy to SHARE my experience. I AM NOT A POLYGRAPH EXAMINER POLYFOOL. YOU ARE. I passed and that is a gods honest fact so get a life. POLYFOOL YOU ARE GETTING MAD BECAUSE YOUR JOB AS A POLYGRAPHER IS AT STAKE. Oh well who cares at least I got a real career job comming my way.

********DON'T LISTEN TO POLYFOOL BECAUSE HE IS A SENIOR USER WHO OBVIOUSLY HAS A LOT OF INTEREST IN THE POLYGRAPH. I DON'T THIS IS MY LAST POST. I NO LONGER HAVE TO COME TO THIS WEBSITE. I HAVE NO NEED BUT POLYFOOL IS OBVIOUSLY ATTRACTED TO IT BECAUSE IT HAS TO DO WITH HIS JOB. NO FOLKS I SWEAR ON MY OWN LIFE I AM REAL AND POLYFOOL IS THE FAKE. HE DOES NOT EVEN SUPPORT THE FACT THAT I PASSED THE POLYGRAPH OR THAT THE POLYGRAPH WASTE OF METAL. POLYFOOL OBVIOUSLY HAS SOMETHING TO HIDE BECAUSE HE IS ATTACKING ME. I COULD CARE LESS IF ANYONE TAKES MY ADVICE. I PASSED AND THATS ALL THAT MATTERS. I TOLD THE TRUTH OF WHAT I DID IN MY PREVIOUS POSTS. TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT BUT WATCH OUT FOR SENIOR GUY POLYFOOL. HE SEEMS THREATENED BY MY POSTS. THAT'S ALL FOLKS. ENJOY THE REST OF YOUR LIVES BECAUSE I WILL. GOD, THAT IS SO FUNNY THAT HE ACTUALLY THINKS I AM SOME SCUMBAG POLYGRAPH EXAMINER, WHAT AN INSULT. I WOULD RATHER CLEAN PORT A JOHNS THEN DO THAT FOR A LIVING**********************

And if the changed format fails again???

Many people on this board have significant problems with polygraphics for this precise reason: when one is 100% honest and therefore gives an inconclusive -- the career impacts here van be devistating.  Then follow up tests are, im my opinion, completely invalid becasue the person at this point has already been "traumatized" by the polygraph and is either highly nervous or skeptical for any subsequent exam.

The person may have researched polygraphics at this point -- or at least the polygrapher will suspect them of such and possibly not put 100% effort into the next test, drawing either an inconclusive OR accusations of CM use by the polygrapher.

DarkCobra- thanks for your candor.  Please don't confuse my contempt for the polygraph industry and those who practice it with disdain towards you personally.

polyfool wrote on Jun 20^th, 2005 at 5:02am:


polyfool,

Just as I was reading this thread and thinking back about Mr. "Long and Strong's" advice and you went and beat me (and probably George) to it.

Anyway, as regards the "too honest," there is a brief paragraph in Matte's book (yes, the guy with the home study PhD) about this. He says that on occasion, but infrequently, an examinee can not be persuaded to lie on the control and persists in answering yes. Matte states, without rationale, that he simply scores the exam as if the examinee lied. It seems to me this probably often works because the examinee is highly sensitized to the question by this point.

I also think Matte's quadra-zone technique is a rather innovative alteration of the CQT. It may be more effective than more generic CQT's for naive examinees since it takes into consideration certain fears normally ignored by basic CQTs. I am concerned about it's accuracy for informed examinees though.

darkcobra2005,

Welcome. Perhaps you could pick up where the polyplace people bailed with Drew's interesting thread on the more extensive use of the GKT (CIT). As you probably know, it is widely used in Japan and, since there are ways to validate it perhaps if it was used more widely it would gain acceptance under Fry.

Marty

DarkCobra2005:

So, if an examiner were administering an exam and were unable to get a reading after running a couple of charts, it would be a bad idea to stop the test, confront the examinee (falsely accusing them of not paying attention) and then resume the testing? Wouldn't the only reason an examiner would do this is because he/she doesn't want the test to end in an inconclusive result and wouldn't this naturally upset the examinee possibly resulting in an error? 

I completely agree with you that a polygraph should never be the sole determining factor in the hiring process. You definitely don't work for the FBI. I have one more question for you--a hypothetical. Say, you adminstered an exam on an applicant and scored it as deceptive only to find out afterwards that the applicant had been investigated beforehand, which showed them innocent of the accusations. What would carry more weight with you as a polygraph examiner-- -the deception indicated polygraph score/opinion or the background investigation results?      

Thanks for answering my questions.

Dark Cobra:

Are you saying certain tracings are ALWAYS present when countermeasures are used or that some countermeasures are easier to spot than others?

How would you explain the errors that occur when a truthful examinee is scored deceptive?

Also, do you factor in an examinee's body language and/or your own gut instinct when rendering an opinion on their truthfulness? 

Jeffery:

Don't you think your examiners treated you like dirt because your inconclusives bruised their egos? No one likes to be told they screwed something up, especially something that has to do with their professional performance. Some(not all, as we've seen with Dark Cobra) reach a point, in which they become so confident in their work, they never second guess it, believing that they and the machine are always right no matter what.

Jeffery:

We wouldn't be so lucky. I'm sure it would be the taxpayers who'd get the bill in the end. That way you could get screwed three times: Once because our tax dollars are paying for an unreliable testing procedure that's victimizing the innocent. A second time when you come up inconclusive or a false positive during the polygraph and a third time if you break their equipment and have to pay for it as a taxpayer.