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Bill Crider Very Senior User Offline Posts: 213 Joined: Mar 26^th, 2004	Run away, run far far away Apr 29^th, 2005 at 6:39pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,154983,00.html nuff said


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polyfool Especially Senior User Offline Posts: 311 Joined: Feb 23^rd, 2005	Re: Run away, run far far away Reply #1 - Apr 29^th, 2005 at 8:48pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Randy Belcher, Duluth, Georgia's Chief of Police, fielded reporters' questions about John Mason's request that his polygraph be videotaped during a briefing this afternoon. Mason has reportedly passed a poly with a private examiner in regards to his fiancee, Jennifer Wilbanks' disappearance. According to authorities, Mason has agreed to a police administered exam under the conditions that it be conducted on neutral territory and that it be videotaped. When Belcher was asked about the terms, he responded, The Georgia Bureau of Investigation and the FBI do not videotape their polygraphs..." Any law enforcement agency that's worth anything won't videotape the polygraph."


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Brandon Hall Ex Member	Re: Run away, run far far away Reply #2 - Apr 29^th, 2005 at 10:16pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Quote: ..." Any law enforcement agency that's worth anything won't videotape the polygraph." A great method to limit liability and accountability. This also allows use of harrassment, brow-beating, etc. I tend to believe any law enforcement agency worth anything WOULD record the examination at least in audio form. Maybe they should just beat the hell out of him with a real rubber hose for now and save the physcological torment for later.


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polyfool Especially Senior User Offline Posts: 311 Joined: Feb 23^rd, 2005	Re: Run away, run far far away Reply #3 - Apr 29^th, 2005 at 11:45pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Exactly. Choosing not to videotape and/or audiotape gives the examiner free reign to do and say whatever he/she wants during the poly without adhering to any standards. There's no way for an examinee to prove what was said during the exam and gives the examiner no reason to behave or feel he/she must play by the rules.


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George W. Maschke Global Moderator Offline Make-believe science yields make-believe security. Posts: 6211 Joined: Sep 29^th, 2000	Re: Run away, run far far away Reply #4 - Apr 30^th, 2005 at 9:37am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Videotaping polygraph examinations has been a recurring topic on AntiPolygraph.org. There is simply no legitimate reason for not routinely audio- and videorecording all polygraph examinations. The polygraph software marketed by major polygraph vendors is even designed to facilitate such recording, which may be done by means of an inexpensive webcam. For more on this topic, see the message thread, Audio/Video Taping of Polygraph Examinations started by retired FBI polygraph expert Dr. Drew C. Richardson.

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Jeffery Very Senior User Offline Posts: 174 Joined: Oct 27^th, 2004	Re: Run away, run far far away Reply #5 - Apr 30^th, 2005 at 5:45pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	She was found alive. Apparently she ran away after getting cold feet. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7665482/ I'm glad this has a relatively "happy ending" but would have liked to seen the polygraph angle develop more here. No doubt the boyfriend would have 'failed' the police polygraph after raising their suspicions on demanding it be video taped and even going so far as having a private polygraph which he "passed." Would have been great to see the video of the police poly, only to have his girlfriend found a few days later.


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polyfool Especially Senior User Offline Posts: 311 Joined: Feb 23^rd, 2005	Re: Run away, run far far away Reply #6 - Apr 30^th, 2005 at 11:16pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Yeah, no kidding--that would've been nice to see. Too bad Jennifer Wilbanks ran out of money and couldn't have stayed out of touch for a little while longer to let the polygraph thing play out. Even before yesterday's briefing, police were already making John Mason look less than innocent by releasing details to the press about his telling authorities that he was thinking about taking the poly. Then, they followed it up with the briefing about Mason's polygraph conditions. Poor guy-- being placed under a cloud of suspicion by police AND being left at the altar. At least he was wise enough not to sit for the police poly without weighing his options--no doubt he would have been found deceptive.


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KSLawDog New User Offline Posts: 9 Location: Kansas Joined: Feb 28^th, 2005 Gender:	Re: Run away, run far far away Reply #7 - Apr 30^th, 2005 at 11:50pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	This was an interesting story. Although I would have loved for him to have failed the police poly only for his fiancee to show up hours later.


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Brandon Hall Ex Member	Re: Run away, run far far away Reply #8 - May 1^st, 2005 at 7:55am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Even if Mr. Mason had taken a polygraph and been shown truthful he should have remained suspect simply because of his close relationship with her and the strange story. If he had been cleared simply because of the polygraph it would have been a sad statement to investigative reliance on its results. But, I do agree that it would have been quite humorous (for us but not in the least for Mr. Mason) if he did fail a police polygraph only for her to surface afterwards. But we shall never know, so I suppose the point is moot. Thankfully he was spared the aggravation of the "test" in an interrogatory environment.


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Jeffery Very Senior User Offline Posts: 174 Joined: Oct 27^th, 2004	Re: Run away, run far far away Reply #9 - May 1^st, 2005 at 4:19pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Quote: Even if Mr. Mason had taken a polygraph and been shown truthful he should have remained suspect simply because of his close relationship with her and the strange story. If he had been cleared simply because of the polygraph it would have been a sad statement to investigative reliance on its results. True; which shows that Mr Mason had absolutely zero to gain by taking a polygraph in the first place.


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