On Saturday, 15 June 2002, I e-mailed the following challenge to American Polygraph Association past president Frank Horvath:

Dear Professor Horvath:

On Friday, 14 June 2002, reporter Joe Bauman of the  Deseret News interviewed you for an article about polygraphy. Bauman's article, which seems to be based soley [sic] on your interview, appears in today's (Saturday, 15 June) issue of the Deseret News under the title, "Polygraph tests not flawless." [Note: the Deseret News is an afternoon paper, and the article actually appeared in the 14 June edition.]

Bauman consfuses irrelevant questions with comparison (or "control") questions. In the second paragraph of his article, Bauman writes:

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You must certainly know the above statement to be false. Irrelevant questions such as, "Is today Friday?" are not comparison questions, responses to which are checked against responses to relevant questions. Irrelevant questions are not scored at all!

Comparison ("control") questions involve an element of trickery on the polygrapher's part. While the polygrapher admonishes the examinee to answer all questions truthfully, he actually wants the subject to experience anxiety-inducing doubt about the truthfulness of his answers to the "control" questions. One commonly used "control" question is, "Did you ever lie to get out of trouble?" The polygrapher deliberately steers the examinee into a denial by suggesting, for example, that the kind of person who would lie to get out of trouble is the same kind of person who would commit the crime that is under investigation.

It is hard to imagine how Bauman could have reached such an erroneous conclusion about the nature of comparison ("control") questions unless you led him to it. You are a past president of the American Polygraph. Association, whose motto is "Dedicated to Truth." I challenge you demonstrate your dedication to truth by contacting Mr. Bauman and Deseret News associate editor Steve Fidel with a correction. Otherwise, the public might conclude that the misinformation in Bauman's report was the result of deliberate disinformation on your part.

In setting the record straight, the following description of comparison ("control") questions from p. 20 of the Congressional Office of Technology [Assessment]'s 1983 technical memorandum, "Scientific Validity of Polygraph Testing: A Research Review and Evaluation" may be helpful. (You were a member of OTA's Polygraph Validity Advisory Panel.):

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You also told Mr. Bauman that critics will say that polygraph testing is 70% accurate. However, polygraph critics are more likely to say that polygraph testing has no scientific basis at all. I refer you, for example, to Professor William G. Iacono's article, "Forensic 'Lie Detection': Procedures Without Scientific Basis" and Professor John J. Furedy's article, "The North American Polygraph and Psychophysiology: Disinterested, Uninterested, and Interested Perspectives."

This challenge to you will also be publicly posted to the Polygraph Policy forum of the AntiPolygraph.org message board, where you are invited to publicly respond.

Sincerely,

George W. Maschke
AntiPolygraph.org

cc: Joe Bauman <bau@desnews.com>
     Steve Fidel, Associate Editor <steve@desnews.com>

Liar_Liar wrote on Jun 16^th, 2002 at 12:30am:


What is the point of your assertion?


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W r o n g. I passed mine.

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I'm sorry, are you inferring that failing a polygraph indicates some sort of character shortcoming?

Dave

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No, I don't know what you're saying, that's why I asked for clarification as to what you meant. I'm still waiting.

It's a curious thing, really; when we of the anti-polygraph community cite personal anecdotes at the travesties we've experienced in the hands of polygraphers, we're lambasted to 'prove it', to prove our assertions as to what happened-- as if we would make up such horror stories-- for what? Financial gain? Laughable. And yet, here is someone apparently of the propolygraph ilk demanding just such an anecdote.

As to what my criticism is of polygraphy...... I invite you to read a few of my previous posts on the subject.

Liar-Liar,

First, Have you ever taken a polygraph. I was found "deceptive" on two separate occasions, on two entirely different issues. 

You challenge Mr. Maschke on his prowess in polygraph testing. Does it really matter? Mr. Mascke is merely exposing a fraud that has cost many honest, hard working people careers in law enforcement. I am one of those people.

If I had discovered this site and Mr. Williams site before my polygraphs and been educated to the pseudo-science that polygraphy is, I would be having a fine career in LE.

As Beech Trees suggested read the personal statement section. You will find Mr. Mallahs there along with others who have been derailed in their chosen LE professions by polygraphy.

Your opinion is welcomed on this site, but you need to educate yourself to see both sides of the issue

Fred F.

Liar Liar,

Devil's advocate? You? Hardly.

A "devil's advocate" is one who champions the less accepted or approved cause for the sake of argument. But all you've done is to argue ad hominem. The question you put to me is irrelevant to the question raised in this message thread, which is whether a past president of the American Polygraph Association deliberately misled a reporter about the nature of "control" questions.

Nonetheless, I'll be happy to answer your question. As I explained on national television last December (see the message thread Poly Segment on CBS 60 Minutes II, 12/12/01 for a transcript), I failed an FBI pre-employment polygraph examination in 1995. I truthfully answered "No" to each relevant question, but was accused of deception with regard to each of the following:



1. Has anyone directed you to seek employment with the FBI?

2. Other than what you told me, have you ever been in contact with anyone from a non-U.S. Intelligence Service?

3. Have you ever provided classified information to any unauthorized individuals?



1. Have you ever sold any illegal drugs?

2. Have you ever used any illegal drugs?

3. Have you deliberately withheld any important information from your application?

Hey George,

I have it from good sources that you made admissions after failing your FBI polygraph.  Is that true??????

Polycop

anonymous,

Didn't your mom teach you to never answer a question with a question?

Besides, I believe George can fight his own battles

Polycop

Sorry Anonymous,

Not quite yet.  I have to keep my cards close.   I would just like Mr. Maschke to either confirm or deny IN WRITING whether or not he made ANY admissions during ANY polygraph exam he ever took for ANY law enforcement agency....

We know the truth...

Polycop