what to do?

[imlarge]

My lawyer told me to take a cvs I did then results came back inconclusive. I have since fired that attorney and have a new one. We are planning on hiring a private party to give me a poly. So my attorney can show the da how his investigators messed up. The da told my attorney that if he can prove this then charges will be lessend or dropped. Is this a bad idea? Again this is a private poly tester. Pleasehelp..

[beech trees]

My lawyer told me to take a cvs I did then results came back inconclusive. I have since fired that attorney and have a new one.

Good. If the polygraph is useless save as a coercive tool used by The State to elicit confessions, then the CVSA is that coercive tool's bastard stepchild. You were correct to fire your worthless defense attorney.

We are planning on hiring a private party to give me a poly. So my attorney can show the da how his investigators messed up. The da told my attorney that if he can prove this then charges will be lessend or dropped. Is this a bad idea?

These are a series of bad ideas. If the DA truly believes that enough credible evidence has been collected to charge and convict you, then you would be better off preparing your defense to create reasonable doubt and/or plea bargaining. If the DA is still weighing whether or not such evidence exists, a failed polygraph certainly won't help your case, and a passed polygraph won't necessarily convince the DA as he plays both sides of the polygraph argument to his benefit.

Not knowing the facts of the case, generally speaking asserting your rights and making The State prove its case is best. I think it would be foolish to presume a DA would believe the results of a polygraph over the assertions of his law enforcement investigators, people with whom he most likely has great trust and rapore.

The only possible way I could see a polygraph helping is if you get the DA to somehow stipulate that you won't be prosecuted of you pass a poly. If it were me I would then become expert at countermeasures and pass the sham of a test, Goodnight Irene.

[imlarge]

Thanks alot. What you said may just save me about $4000 for tester fees and the time my lawyer is there. I'm going tobring this up to my attorney asap. Thanks again!!!

[Joker]

Thats a good idea just plead guilty and get it other with.

[Fair Chance]

Let's have a website vote.

Who do you think "joker" is?

Little "george", Polyman2002, Polydonotlie, or "eastwood"

I know it is difficult since the thoughts they present all seem the same.

[Skeptic]

Let's have a website vote.

Who do you think "joker" is?

Little "george", Polyman2002, Polydonotlie, or "eastwood"

I know it is difficult since the thoughts they present all seem the same.

Don't forget "disgusted" and "akkkmed".

Skeptic

[Seeker]

I continue to be amused by those who tread in here without concern for the basic knowledge that they CAN be traced back.  It takes only someone with some capabilities in IT to be able to do it.  Then again, we do not need to get into the discussion about mirror imaging, the wealth of information contained in source codes, or any of the other tell-tale signs that one leaves every single time they even visit a site online.
 
I am really hoping we get back to some intelligent discussions this weekend.  The antics of george, joker, the skeptic wannabes, and others, while we amuse ourselves by intellectually spanking them, really becomes a waste of time after a while.
Perhaps a web site vote?
We ignore the ignorant?
What do you all say??

[ratpatrol]

Remember, as Seeker stated, you can be traced, and undoubtedly are being traced, so when your polygrapher asks you, "have you researched polygraph" think very carefully about your answer.  

Whatever you say in here is being monitored from all sides.  Concerned?  Stay away from antipolygraph.org.

http://stopcarnivore.org/

[George W. Maschke]

Remember, as Seeker stated, you can be traced, and undoubtedly are being traced, so when your polygrapher asks you, "have you researched polygraph" think very carefully about your answer.  

Whatever you say in here is being monitored from all sides.  Concerned?  Stay away from antipolygraph.org.

http://stopcarnivore.org/

A nice attempt at scaremongering, Ratpatrol. However, the routine monitoring of this website and identification of visitors by government would require a massive investment of investigative resources and taxpayer dollars, as well as multiple warrants from multiple jurisdictions. Bottom line: it ain't likely.

But any who are concerned about their visits to AntiPolygraph.org being monitored are welcome to access this site through an anonymous proxy. (Several are linked at the top of this page.)

[George W. Maschke]

Ratpatrol,

Another consideration is that anyone hoping to discover who's been researching polygraphy by monitoring websites would have to check the logs of the National Academy of Sciences, the Federation of American Scientists, and numerous others: a hopeless task.

But you raise an interesting question. Let's say you, the polygrapher ask a subject, "Have you researched polygraph?" and the subject, heeding your wise counsel posted here, thinks very carefully and replies, "Yes, I have. I've been to AntiPolygraph.org and have read The Lie Behind the Lie Detector as well as the NAS report. I understand that polygraphy is junk science, and I am well familiar with polygraph procedure and countermeasures."

How do you, the polygrapher, procede?

[ratpatrol]

I am not a polygrapher, and have no idea what one would do in that situation.  Seems in the testimony on this board, people have LIED and said they did not research polygraph.

[Skeptic]

I am not a polygrapher, and have no idea what one would do in that situation.  Seems in the testimony on this board, people have LIED and said they did not research polygraph.

So basically, you know nothing of the polygraph or the subject matter we're discussing.  You're just here to play games and spew racist crap.

Are you telling us that we can't even get dumb polygraphers to visit us now?  We're reduced to incursions from the KKK?

I'm almost hurt.
Skeptic

[ratpatrol]

So basically, you know nothing of the polygraph or the subject matter we're discussing.  You're just here to play games and spew racist crap.

Are you telling us that we can't even get dumb polygraphers to visit us now?  We're reduced to incursions from the KKK?

I'm almost hurt.
Skeptic

Through your gratuitous ad hominem attacks against Rat Patrol, you have merely succeeded in exposing you as a small-minded, malicious bigot. Your regrettable conduct here reflects poorly upon yourself and the polygraph community.

By the way, did you pass the poly, Skeptic?

[Marty]

Through your gratuitous ad hominem attacks against Rat Patrol, you have merely succeeded in exposing you as a small-minded, malicious bigot. Your regrettable conduct here reflects poorly upon yourself and the polygraph community.

When you copied George's post and slightly altered it you forget to proofread.  Thanks for the laugh.

George, do you have any estimate of the reasons visitors come to this site? I'm curious if you have seen a change in the ratio of pre-poly and post-poly visitors.  Of course there are also the poly people themselves. Some are active FUD spreaders. Then there are the terminally curious that get fascinated in the way such a thing is used and abused by society.

-Marty

[polylawman]

Hi George.
I read your post an translating your book. I can translate into Arabic for you and post it.
After I post it maybe we can email it to our terrorist friends in Pakistan, or Saudi Arabia.  Don't you think thats a good idea George. Or didn't you think about that. Or maybe you did think about it.