Imprisoned Polygraph Critic Doug Williams on This American Life Radio Program

[Aunty Agony]

I hear no complaints from those who passed.

Especially from the spies, moles, and traitors who slip through. None of them want to see the polygraph replaced with something that works.

[xenonman]

And BTW, the vetting process is just fine.  Xenonman is a perfect example of someone weeded out by not one, but two agencies for mental instability-without the need of polygraph testing.

Where did you earn your M.D. in psychiatry, quickfix?  The same place where you studied Russian, maybe?  Incompetent DOD polygraphers are now permitted to make medical diagnoses too? 

[John M.]

If there's one thing that Aunty loathes and despises more than a citizen who would purchase himself a comfortable government indenture by giving up his essential liberty, it is a coward who would purchase himself a comfortable government indenture by giving up my essential liberty.

What do you say to an indentured civil servant who was hired by DIA before they mandated polygraphs.  One who had already served 20 years in active duty military service - all with a TS/SCI clearance.  Then, 14 years later, after five "unsuccessful" polygraphs in three years, was physically removed from his workplace, deemed to be a vulnerability to security, had their clearance yanked and forced to occupy an un-cleared and meaningless position 1,000 miles away?

Aunty, you are correct, this is a serious civil rights problem - of which, to this day, is being permitted to continue.

Why can't we make it stop?

[xenonman]

security, had their clearance yanked and forced to occupy an un-cleared and meaningless position 1,000 miles away?

At the CIA, under similar circumstances, I seriously doubt that you would have even been shown the "courtesy" of an uncleared position.

[xenonman]

This isn't the 1800s when Aaron Burr shot it out

If Aaron Burr were still around, he could challenge quickfix to a duel on that field in Weehawken!

[George W. Maschke]

Xenonman is a perfect example of someone weeded out by not one, but two agencies for mental instability-without the need of polygraph testing.

I can't disagree with you on this, quickfix. Xenonman seems mentally unfit to hold a security clearance, or any position of public trust, as evidenced by his repeated publicly stated fantasies about the death/killing of intelligence community personnel.

[xenonman]

Xenonman is a perfect example of someone weeded out by not one, but two agencies for mental instability-without the need of polygraph testing.

I can't disagree with you on this, quickfix. Xenonman seems mentally unfit to hold a security clearance, or any position of public trust, as evidenced by his repeated publicly stated fantasies about the death/killing of intelligence community personnel.

The Agency COS in Den Haag starting to put the heat on, George?   

[Wandersmann]

I can't disagree with you on this, quickfix. Xenonman seems mentally unfit to hold a security clearance, or any position of public trust, as evidenced by his repeated publicly stated fantasies about the death/killing of intelligence community personnel.

Perhaps he is suffering from PTSD caused by polygraph experiences?   

[xenonman]

Perhaps he is suffering from PTSD caused by polygraph experiences?

...as well as from learning of the cowardly behavior of many of the uneducated people who had regrettably been unearthed during the course of the BI and who were apparently willing to say just about anything to investigators, thereby rendering the whole convoluted "vetting" process into little more than a popularity contest..   

[quickfix]

I can't disagree with you on this, quickfix. Xenonman seems mentally unfit to hold a security clearance, or any position of public trust, as evidenced by his repeated publicly stated fantasies about the death/killing of intelligence community personnel.

George, perhaps you might consider suspending Xenonman from posting until he takes down the "manifesto" phrases that are his hallmark.

I'm all for the First Amendment, but when someone posts

"May sarin, ricin, and variola major befall Langley"

"What do we call it when every employee of the Agency's Office of Security and Office of Personnel drowns in the Potomac?   A great beginning!"

"The best intelligence community employee is a compromised IC employee!"

that goes beyond acceptable behavior on a public website.  You may notice that I never respond to Xenonman's posts.  Doing so is akin to engaging in a battle of wits with an unarmed man.  Best to leave the mentally ill, Ted Kaczynski types to their own paranoia.

[xenonman]

that I never respond to Xenonman's posts.

It would be even better if you would stop replying to ALL posts on this site.

If you want to compare me to any of the several brave CIA and NSA whistleblowers of late that's fine, but comparing me to the "Unabomber" is offensive and possible defamatory.

[xenonman]

Xenonman seems mentally unfit to hold a security clearance, or any position of public trust,

I wasn't aware, George, that I held any security clearance or position of public trust, nor that you were recruiting for same!

[Wandersmann]

Doing so is akin to engaging in a battle of wits with an unarmed man.

What chutzpah coming from a foul-mouthed ignoramus like you.  If Xenonman's calloused comments are worthy of contempt then so are your comments when you make fun of people who have had their lives ruined by being falsely accused by your stupid witchcraft.  How many jokes and snide comments have you made about Doug Williams ?  Do you think it's funny when a man loses everything and goes to prison, you deranged SOB.   

[quickfix]

How many jokes and snide comments have you made about Doug Williams ? 

Not nearly enough!

Do you think it's funny when a man loses everything and goes to prison, you deranged SOB.

No, I don't think it's funny- IT'S FUCKING HILARIOUS.

[George W. Maschke]

Wandersmann,

I think quickfix's schadenfreude over Doug Williams' incarceration is testimony to the polygraph community's vexation over Doug's decades of public truth-telling about the pseudoscience of polygraphy, and its frustration over its inability to reliably detect polygraph countermeasures.