Imprisoned Polygraph Critic Doug Williams on This American Life Radio Program

[Ex Member]

"I'm just a man whose intentions are good - oh Lord please don't let me be misunderstood".

Bennie Benjamin 1964; Burdon's rendition still gives me goose bumps.

[xenonman]

You have nailed the most salient point yet - relying on the results of a polygraph test is most certainly a very serious threat to national security.  And the thugs in the polygraph profession who lie about the validity and

Let's not forget that the ranks of the thugs include not only the polygraph charlatans, but one must also not overlook the rest of the bottom-feeding scavengers that staff the various Offices of Security throughout the IC.   

[xenonman]

John - I will be out in 40 days and will be working with the attorneys who have indicated a willingness to prosecute these tort actions and start the class action.  We will begin putting the cases together and I'll be soliciting people to be a part of the class action on my website POLYGRAPH.COM and

Please consider enlisting me in your class action suit.

The presence of trolls like quickfix provide confirmation that this forum is causing consternation and alarm in the various Offices of Security that plague the IC.

[xenonman]

Is Doug Williams a political prisoner, or just another victim of government corruption? 

I believe that he could certainly be regarded as a political prisoner or prisoner of conscience, but of course the DOJ Bureau of Prisons insists that there are no political prisoners in the Federal gulag!

[xenonman]

Congress got it absolutely right when they enacted the EPPA, but why on earth does the law stop short and allow the government to abuse its employees?

Because the sacrosanct National Security Act of 1947 (which authorized the CIA and NSA, and legalized their lack of accountability) still takes precedence over the EPPA.   

[xenonman]

Credibility Assessments Branch - what a joke that is.  They said I had a "lack of insight" and a "proclivity to externalize blame". WTF?

You can always count upon the IC to come up with the most creative labels for its various internal components.   

[xenonman]

Also, when their ship starts sinking, the polygraph examiners will point their fingers at the security officials and the security officials will point their fingers at the polygraph examiners.  Take them all down!

The security kooks are just as offensive and useless as the polygraphers.
Take them all down is right; straight down to the bottom of the Potomac!

[Wandersmann]

Let's not forget that the ranks of the thugs include not only the polygraph charlatans, but one must also not overlook the rest of the bottom-feeding scavengers that staff the various Offices of Security throughout the IC.

Right on Xenonman -  I just spoke to a friend who is currently in Germany and was recently given a tour of the former East German Stasi prison known as Hohenschönhausen.  He went into detail about what he learned about Stasi tactics and it put a chill up my spine to realize that our current polygraphic/security jackasses are just like the former Stasi thugs.  Persecuting innocent people is their specialty.  When we celebrated the fall of the Berlin Wall we never knew that we had already contracted the social disease that infected the Warsaw Pact.  I hope that we come to our senses like the former East Germans did. 

Today is Father's Day.  Remember and pray for all of the fathers who are unable to adequately provide for their families due to losing their livelihood after being falsely accused by these frauds in the polygraph and security communities.   8-)

[xenonman]

hope that we come to our senses like the former East Germans did. 

My fantasy is that someday Americans will exercise their Second Amendment rights and overpower the checkpoints of entry in Langley.  (similarly to the overpowering of the border crossing points by the East Berliners in 1989).  I don't expect to see such a miracle happen in my lifetime, but then again few West Germans in 1989 had expected ever to see German reunification.

Similarly, as the East Berliners stormed the Stasi headquarters after the wall fell, Americans should do likewise at Langley.

[xenonman]

Today is Father's Day.  Remember and pray for all of the fathers who are unable to adequately provide for their families due to losing their livelihood after being falsely accused by these frauds in the polygraph and security communities.   8-)

Let us also remember the families of the hundreds of thousands of unsung American service personnel, including many fathers, who have died in action since 1947.  For them, there was no diplomatic immunity, embassy, or safe house to cower behind.  In that same period, only about 119 "brave" CIA personnel have met a similar fate.   

[Wandersmann]

Similarly, as the East Berliners stormed the Stasi headquarters after the wall fell, Americans should do likewise at Langley.

I think the answer will be litigation.  There is a cauldron boiling that sooner or later will erupt like the Yellowstone caldera.  Hopefully the polygraph cauldron will erupt first.  First, we have junk science that can easily be proven as such.  Second, we have an ever-growing amount of innocent victims.  Third, adverse action resulting in loss of income and prestige solely due to the polygraph absent any proof is the very definition of libel.  The funny part is that the STASI wannabee's running our security divisions claim that removing income and employment is not considered adverse action, only imprisonment is considered adverse action to these nut-jobs.  I think a jury would find that the reasonable man {person} thinks otherwise.  The only thing blocking the path so far has been one or two incompetent Federal judges.  There are plenty of other legal venues to bring suit.  There are other issues involved than the issues ruled on by idiot judges.  All that needs to happen is finding an honest judge and committed attorney.  It will make the tobacco lawsuit look like traffic court. 

[xenonman]

I think the answer will be litigation.

Hopefully you are right.  However it has been the courts that generally have protected the ability of the IC to  avoid any real oversight.  It is also the federal courts that continue to pass down the harsh sentences on whistleblowers.

Having observed personally how the limited reforms of the Watergate era have all been whittled down to the point of ineffectiveness, my faith in the judiciary to effect any real reform is indeed very limited. 

[Wandersmann]

Having observed personally how the limited reforms of the Watergate era have all been whittled down to the point of ineffectiveness, my faith in the judiciary to effect any real reform is indeed very limited.

I totally agree with you there Xenonman.  I have no faith in our judiciary, but I have total faith in capitalist greed.  I think they day will come where the money will be behind the people who oppose the box.  When some smart attorneys smell the potential bucks in this righteous cause, it will be like bloody chum on the water for the sharks. 

[John M.]

Why would they even need to polygraph more than once?  If they can take unfavorable administrative actions for failing to successfully pass it, why conduct the same procedure over and over and over and over?

Think about that.  If the polygraph works, why would they need to do it five times in three years?

I have it in writing - they said that two polygraphs a year is not considered to be excessive.  I wonder what regulation that came from.

After the first failed attempt, each successive one gets worse.  Fear is a powerful emotion.  And for me, fear of failure is as intense as it is uncontrollable. 

If the actual "test" only has five or six questions, why does it take five hours to complete?  You know why as well as I do, to "fuck with you mentally", as Mr. Williams so eloquently puts it.  The mental torture is real and will live on with you forever.

All in the hype to catch the next Snowden.

Abuse by polygraph must be stopped right now.  Those who are responsible for allowing it continue must be held accountable and forced to follow the approved and relevant laws and regulations.

***** To see what constitutes an unfavorable administration, check out the attached from the Code of Federal Regulations: § 154.3 (bb) and (cc) – p. 754

[Wandersmann]

To see what constitutes an unfavorable administration, check out the attached from the Code of Federal Regulations: § 154.3 (bb) and (cc) – p. 754

Now I'm really confused.  Based on the definition of adversarial action, how can one lose SCI access yet still retain a Top Secret clearance?  They are in essence saying we trust you and yet we don't.  It's like saying a woman is sort of pregnant.  It is pure bullshit.