H.R.2213

Started by John M., May 03, 2017, 09:14 AM

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John M.

I did my part.  I'd like to think I had something to do with it being shot down - who knows?

More likely scenario is that the Polygraph Industrial Complex caught wind and slammed the door.
"The polygraph examination is a supplement to, not a substitute for, other methods of investigation.  No, unfavorable administrative action shall be taken based solely on its results."  ~ DODI 5210.91.

John M.

At 1:34 this afternoon the House Leader indicated that this Bill will be legislated next week. 

http://docs.house.gov/floor/

Skopos now gives it a 10% chance of passing.  What do you think its chances are?

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/115/hr2213

"The polygraph examination is a supplement to, not a substitute for, other methods of investigation.  No, unfavorable administrative action shall be taken based solely on its results."  ~ DODI 5210.91.

xenonman

Quote from: sammorter on May 31, 2017, 03:51 PMSkopos now gives it a 10% chance of passing.  What do you think its chances are?

maybe 7.5% !  (unless someone tacks on an amendment to exempt the IC from its provisions) ::)
What do we call it when every employee of the Agency's Office of Security
and Office of Personnel drowns in the Potomac?   A great beginning!

The best intelligence community employee is a compromised IC employee!

John M.

#18
This Bill pertains specifically to the CBP.  The debates on it will hopefully expose the insanity however.  I hope to see my Congressman read my letter on the House Floor at some point.

BTW, did you see the season finale of "The Americans" on FX this week?  It further exposes the "Lie Behind the Polygraph".
"The polygraph examination is a supplement to, not a substitute for, other methods of investigation.  No, unfavorable administrative action shall be taken based solely on its results."  ~ DODI 5210.91.

George W. Maschke

The House of Representatives is meeting to debate H.R. 2213 now. You can watch here:

http://www.fednet.net/?p=67560
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John M.

Quote from: George_Maschke on Jun 08, 2017, 07:07 AMH.R. 2213 passed by a wide margin (282-137) yesterday:

Unreal.

It's astonishing how brazenly ignorant of the polygraph process our congresspersons are.

Those that voted against this Bill (all democrats), did so because they don't want any more border enforcement.  I sent tweets to all of them during the floor debates.

I'm starting on my Senators now (Rubio & Nelson).

I think this Bill will eventually pass - what do you think now George?
"The polygraph examination is a supplement to, not a substitute for, other methods of investigation.  No, unfavorable administrative action shall be taken based solely on its results."  ~ DODI 5210.91.

George W. Maschke

Quote from: sammorter on Jun 08, 2017, 05:55 PMI think this Bill will eventually pass - what do you think now George?

I, too, expect it will eventually pass.
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Wandersmann

Quote from: sammorter on Jun 08, 2017, 05:55 PMUnreal.

It's astonishing how brazenly ignorant of the polygraph process our congresspersons are.

I agree, but not surprised.  I'm not sure if they are brazenly ignorant or just totally corrupt.  I think it's that latter.  I understand your opposition to this bill and agree with you completely.  Could it be a good thing, however?  It seems to me that the entire premise of this bill involves the fact that the polygraph doesn't work. 

John M.

Quote from: Wandersmann on Jun 09, 2017, 09:35 AMCould it be a good thing, however?
Yeah, only if that one brave man you keep talking about shows up.

You should have seen the debates.  All they (the dems) kept talking about was watering down the screening process.

The fact that 60% of applicants are failing it, should be the freaking biggest red flag!

DIA's failure rates from 2011-2015 reportedly ranged from 15% - 22%.

The time has come to put a stop to this madness.
"The polygraph examination is a supplement to, not a substitute for, other methods of investigation.  No, unfavorable administrative action shall be taken based solely on its results."  ~ DODI 5210.91.

John M.

For the 2,000th time, answer the question!
"The polygraph examination is a supplement to, not a substitute for, other methods of investigation.  No, unfavorable administrative action shall be taken based solely on its results."  ~ DODI 5210.91.

George W. Maschke

Senators Durbin and Duckworth have introduced a bill (S.1560) that would block H.R.2213 and expand polygraph screening to currently serving CBP employees as well as mandating polygraph screening for Immigration and Customs Enforcement:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/two-democratic-senators-want-to-block-house-bill-to-waive-polygraphs/2017/07/13/db5d3e30-6758-11e7-8eb5-cbccc2e7bfbf_story.html

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/1560/text?q=%7B%22search%22%3A%5B%22polygraph%22%5D%7D&r=1
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#27
Quote from: George_Maschke on Jul 14, 2017, 04:28 AMSenators Durbin and Duckworth have introduced a bill (S.1560) that would block H.R.2213 and expand polygraph screening

There you go John M., Xeno and Wandersmann--reach out to these democrats and set them straight!

xenonman

Quote from: Arkhangelsk on Jul 14, 2017, 10:51 AM
Quote from: George_Maschke on Jul 14, 2017, 04:28 AMSenators Durbin and Duckworth have introduced a bill (S.1560) that would block H.R.2213 and expand polygraph screening

There you go John M., Xeno and Wandersmann--reach out to these democrats and set them straight!


Democrats speak with forked tongue! :D
What do we call it when every employee of the Agency's Office of Security
and Office of Personnel drowns in the Potomac?   A great beginning!

The best intelligence community employee is a compromised IC employee!

Wandersmann

#29
Quote from: Arkhangelsk on Jul 14, 2017, 10:51 AMThere you go John M., Xeno and Wandersmann--reach out to these democrats and set them straight!

I'm glad they are going to expand polygraph screening.  That is the only way it will go away.  Pretty soon the number of victims will outnumber the number of people profiting from this system by 1000 to one.  The more innocent victims, the sooner this thing comes to an end.  If they made lawyers, judges, and Congressmen pass a polygraph to keep their jobs the whole thing would be gone tomorrow.   ;)

Quickfix, just curious .......... would you have any problem disbarring an attorney, removing a Federal judge from the bench, or removing a Congressman from office for failing a polygraph?   :-?

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