My husband failed a polygraph

[Dan Mangan]

Joe, regardless of what you feel the poster needs, the fact remains that a bill of rights for polygraph test takers would probably have prevented the twisted psycho-physiological shenanigans suffered by the poster and his SO.

Polygraph isn't going anywhere soon -- although the case for its abolition is a strong one -- so steps must be taken to help prevent victimization.

Joe, if you lifted your head from the polygraph "testing" feeding trough long enough to engage in some macro-view critical thinking, you just might understand my point of view.

[Joe McCarthy]

I do understand more than a bit of your points of view, you neglect to mention that.  I just don't agree with your methodology in fixing the issues.  Having said that, there is much I have a hard time agreeing with. 

Also, saying I am at the "feeding trough," wow, really?  You do know who you're talking to right?

NOBODY, in or out of the industry, can ever accuse me, or even imply, that I am at, or even near, any "feeding trough."  In fact, they do more to keep me away from the feeding line, than they do to keep you away. 

I find this funny because, not only do I defend the test, I backed it up with action.  To this day, I am still the only polygraph examiner, to offer to publicly sit for my own test; and bet my career based on the results.   

Personally, if you want to attack accuracy and reliability, one would think, prominent examiners in the polygraph industry, dodging their own tests, would be a better attack.  To write papers on accuracy and reliability is one thing; one can argue about statistics, and theory, and concepts.  Avoiding the use of a product you sell, and insist is good enough for others; that is an action which is not only unarguable, but indefensible, and inexcusable.

It seems to me, using the acts of, "respected, and prominent" examiners petrified of the test, would work a whole lot better than words in a study.  Studies are great, but in the end, when the chips are down, will they eat their own dog food?  The actions of prominent members, do no support the words of their association.

SHAME ON THEM.

Some would say that I am, beating a dead horse; if only that were the case.  A dead horse doesn't kick a sleeping dog.  Also, it is the best argument that there is regarding the subject of accuracy and reliability.

The one chance, prominent members of the community had to make a statement about the accuracy and reliability of polygraph, and the only one to rise to the challenge, is the one person they insist is a bigger danger to the industry than you.  Then, they call me crazy for even making the suggestion that we use our own test, to weed out the lies and solidify the truth. 

Think about that for a minute, very important people in the industry, criticized me, for suggesting that we use our own test to sole an issue within our own industry once and for all. 

Dan, if you are going to fight, fight with facts that point out actions which are contrary to words. 

Even if you do take my advice, there is still one inconvenient truth.  One examiner, who had more to lose than anyone, still put 100% faith in the test he sells, when all the others ran.  I don't take gambles like that unless I know I'll win. 

If you ask me, that makes me a far better advocate for the industry than the ass clowns, I am forced to stand behind at the "trough," who clearly have no faith in the reliability or accuracy of the test they sell. Honestly, I can't believe I have to compete with these troglodytes.

So to say I am at the, feeding trough, when frankly, you know better, that just insults me and degrades you. 

This does beg re-asking the question though.

What did someone do to you that got you on this ship of destruction?  I'm just curious.  My moment of disillusionment with the Texas industry establishment is well documented and confirmed to be truthful, though documentation, and the actions of the leadership and members involved.

So I never asked this, and I'm curious; who, or what, pissed your Wheaties?

[Dan Mangan]

So I never asked this, and I'm curious; who, or what, pissed your Wheaties? Not trying to start trouble; I'm honestly curious.

Joe, it's simple.

After recognizing the pernicious harms that stem from polygraph victimization -- something the polygraph indu$try nonchalantly casts off as routine collateral damage --  it struck me that being a "forensic psycho-physiologist" was grotesquely inconsistent with my Christian values.

As a Roman Catholic, the only way I could continue in this fetid field is to tell the truth about the "test." Being a polygraph consultant allows me to do that.

Advocating for a test-taker bill of rights is a core part of my role as an independent polygraph resource.

[Joe McCarthy]

But you still practice polygraph, and belong to the biggest polygraph association in the world; supporting it's activities by giving it money every year to propagate an agenda you are morally against.  By doing this you financially support and condone its activities. 

Seems this is the equivalent of the Boston Archdiocese, giving money to and being a member of planed parenthood

[Dan Mangan]

Joe, I realize, that to the casual observer, there are conflicts.

Yes, I "practice" polygraph --- but not as those who practice it like Wicca.

All of my clients know -- or at least are told -- that polygraph is a sham.

In any event, it won't be for much longer. I'm retiring next year.

Let someone else shovel shit against the tide.

[Ex Member]

Joe,
I believe it may also be related to loyalty, a virtue rarely found these days.

[Joe McCarthy]

Wow, everyone is retiring, except for the ass clowns that need to retire, or just plain die off of cancer or ebola.  WTF?

You know whats funny? If you were to take what was said on PP seriously about me, half the industry would have been killed off almost 10 years ago. 

lol

[Joe McCarthy]

Joe,
I believe it may also be related to loyalty, a virtue rarely found these days.

Loyalty is a nonexistent quality in todays time.  Everyone you meet has a knife, and is looking for a place to plant it. 

I do take comfort in the fact that, the ninth ring of hell is reserved for betrayers and cut throats.

DTA 

[Dan Mangan]

Pour yourself another one, Joe.

You are irrelevant, as am I.

The cult endures.

[Joe McCarthy]

Everyone is irrelevant in the end.

[Dan Mangan]

Amen.

[Ex Member]

Everyone is irrelevant in the end.   

Ahhhh, thank you Grasshoppa.....

[Dan Mangan]

Everyone is irrelevant in the end.   

Ahhhh, thank you Grasshoppa.....

Ark, we're wondering how old you are.

We're guessing 62-66.

Are you in that range? Older? Younger?

Enquiring minds want to know...

[Ex Member]

We are contemporaries.

[Dan Mangan]

Prove it.

Forced choice (Think Ray Nelson's "Ipsative-Z-score" concoction).

Who's hotter?

Lassie: June Lockhart or Jan Clayton?

Gilligan's Island: Ginger or Mary Ann?

Charlie's Angels: Farah, Jaclyn, Kate or Cheryl?