Failed Polygraph but Appealing. Any Advice?

[pailryder]

Arkhangelsk

There is no such provable connection between reaction and deception

Some people know there is a connection because they actually feel the change in their body when they lie.  Be honest, have you never felt that?  Polygraph is an interview and interrogation technique, one person questioning another.  I respect scientific research and try to modify and align my techniques with other social sciences, but every real world polygraph is unique, an interaction between two specific individuals and as such is not repeatable, so I agree with your assertion that what I do is not hard science.

[Doug Williams]

Arkhangelsk

There is no such provable connection between reaction and deception

I agree with your assertion that what I do is not hard science.

Pailryder:  You have finally said something that almost resembles a factual, truthful statement.  I said almost, because you are not quite there yet.  You are right when you say that what you do is not "hard science", (any of the natural or physical sciences, in which hypotheses are rigorously tested through observation and experimentation).  It is not even soft science, (a science, such as sociology or anthropology, that deals with humans as its principle subject matter, and is therefore not generally considered to be based on rigorous experimentation).  It is, as I have always said, pseudoscience, (a theory, methodology, or practice that is considered to be without scientific foundation - that pretends to be science). 

[Ex Member]

Some people know there is a connection because they actually feel the change in their body when they lie.Be honest, have you never felt that? 

Our bodies are full chemicals making us feel all kinds of ways. I would feel a change in my body by being asked any kind of personal question where I feel threatened or have much at stake; extrapolating it to deception without a firm scientific theory is foolish and can hurt many people in many ways.

[Ex Member]

As a private examiner, the client or his attorney requests and pays for my services.I have no incentive to accuse or coerce anyone.

If you simply hook them up to the instrument, ask a standard set of questions, let the computer score the charts with no post test interrogation, then that would be an innocuous side show. It's a different story when someone is facing a revocation hearing, or if someone's career is on the line.

[Doug Williams]

As a private examiner, the client or his attorney requests and pays for my services.I have no incentive to accuse or coerce anyone.

If you simply hook them up to the instrument, ask a standard set of questions, let the computer score the charts with no post test interrogation, then that would be an innocuous side show. It's a different story when someone is facing a revocation hearing, or if someone's career is on the line.

Polygraph operators are out of control - they don't answer to anyone, and they don't give a damn about the millions of people who are traumatized, and whose lives are ruined by their arbitrary and capricious actions.  It is tantamount to criminal negligence on the part of our government to allow this so-called "lie detector" testing to continue!  The EMPLOYEE POLYGRAPH PROTECTION ACT should be extended to PROTECT EVERYONE from the practitioners of this insidious Orwellian instrument of torture!

[xenonman]

I'm so glad that Williams doesn't coerce or accuse anyone.

Unfortunately, his slick responses can do very little to conceal the reality that not everyone has the luxury of choosing whether or not to be polygraphed.

I also wonder where he obtained his polygraph "training".

[xenonman]

The B/I can foul up one's application for work just as badly as the polygraph.  Perhaps even worse....
All it takes is for the investigators to latch onto even one asshole who's willing to make negative remarks about the applicant.

[Doug Williams]

I'm so glad that Williams doesn't coerce or accuse anyone.

Unfortunately, his slick responses can do very little to conceal the reality that not everyone has the luxury of choosing whether or not to be polygraphed.

I also wonder where he obtained his polygraph "training".

I think you are confused about me.  Please let me inform you about who I am and what I do - go to my website  www.polygraph.com

[Sully]

The B/I can foul up one's application for work just as badly as the polygraph.  Perhaps even worse....
All it takes is for the investigators to latch onto even one asshole who's willing to make negative remarks about the applicant.

well let me tell you, 3 polygraphers from the same area ruined an applicants life and to better his future, b/c you examiners are so aloof and one sided...when you grow older, believe me, it will one day come to you, through the bad karma you've thrown on others, just how corrupt your inaccurate little machine and you are, "actually thinking you can catch people in lies."  And one day, you will realize all the harm you've done to others...and you get paid to do this, you receive training and think your an expert at catching people in lies....tell me something, where is your little crystal ball hidden?

[quickfix]

where is your little crystal ball hidden?

maybe it's up your ass.  Try searching around up there.

[Sully]

where is your little crystal ball hidden?

maybe it's up your ass.  Try searching around up there.

Proves my point

[Sully]

examiners have to defend what they do to others, in their own mind, with insults, to justify their jobs...it is unfortunate that they ruin so many careers and lives...think about it, if they would outlaw polygraphs, which they should, examiners would be out of a job, and they do make some big bucks.  Can you imagine hurting a life, for money?  Wouldn't it be great, if they would have to follow all those people around they failed and see what good human beings they were...who is the lier, really?
 

[Doug Williams]

examiners have to defend what they do to others, in their own mind, with insults, to justify their jobs...it is unfortunate that they ruin so many careers and lives...think about it, if they would outlaw polygraphs, which they should, examiners would be out of a job, and they do make some big bucks.  Can you imagine hurting a life, for money?  Wouldn't it be great, if they would have to follow all those people around they failed and see what good human beings they were...who is the lier, really?
 

There are millions of people who have been falsely branded as liars, simply because they had a nervous reaction when they answered a question.  They have had their lives ruined because they believed the lie that the polygraph was reliable and accurate as a "lie detector", and that the polygrapher was an honorable professional who would treat them fairly.  They found out the hard way that the polygrapher was just an interrogator - that the polygraph was just a prop he used to frighten and intimidate them.  And worse yet, that the polygrapher could accuse them of lying without any evidence to prove that accusation and they could not challenge or appeal his decision!  That's not fair, it is not the way things should be done in this country, but that's the way it is!  It is past time to put a stop to this BULLSHIT!   

[quickfix]

We've ruined lives?  Oh, that's terrible;  they're all unemployed, homeless, hungry, jumping off buildings!  Hurting a life?  like a Mafia hitman? I better go to confession tonight so I can be forgiven!

[mike]

I'm so glad that Williams doesn't coerce or accuse anyone.

Unfortunately, his slick responses can do very little to conceal the reality that not everyone has the luxury of choosing whether or not to be polygraphed.

I also wonder where he obtained his polygraph "training".

I think you are confused about me.  Please let me inform you about who I am and what I do - go to my website  www.polygraph.com

How do you APPEAL a polygraph. what do you include. I just failed mine. I do not agree with results.