Counter Measures Detection Chair Pad

[anythingformoney]

Oh, I've seen them, George, and I've tested them on myself and others.  They DO work, and very well.  Have a nice vacation.

[Carrottop]

PG111,

What exactly did you mean by "I now know that if you give them everything on controls you will fail. "

[Twoblock]

Strap on a thick kotex pad and slowly apply the squeeze. That will foil the seat sensor.

[anythingformoney]

   That's a good one.  Just make sure you use the little tape strips properly, or it'll be painful when you pull out those pubic hairs!

[dimas]

LOL, at least no one has yet suggested sticking a tampon in their sphincter to foil the test.  I think the day that happens I will really lose my faith in humanity.

Then again if you work in LE long enough  you are bound to see it all, so who knows.

8-10 weeks to be a polygraphist is a joke, as you most likely already know.

320-400hrs of training is a joke?  It really is not that complex to run the polygraph or learn how to interview people.  If anything they have made it that long to add credibility to their trade.

Heck, in most states EMT's need only 120 classroom hours and 20 clinical hours to run an ambulance and their job is SAVING lives and dealing with the plethora of human conditions out there.  So in reality a polygrapher receives 3 times the training an EMT does and you think it isn't enough?

[anxietyguy]

All that training and they still can't figure out the truth, you tell me.

[anythingformoney]

Yes, it's a lot of training, Dimas, especially at the Federal level, where they get 14-15 weeks of training, including conducting polygraphs on mock crimes in a lab setting every day.

Of course, training alone will not make a good polygrapher.  That's like taking 60 hours of Spanish credit--unless you are immersed in the language and using it in a real-world setting, you'll never really become proficient.

Actually, running a polygraph machine is NOT that easy.   There are a lot of things to be looking at and making sure of before, during and after each question.  After awhile, it's like driving a car, but just think about how you were the first time your daddy or the drivers ed instructor let you get behind the wheel.

[PG111]

  I still think 560 clock hours is no where near enough, polygraph school should be Masters Degree level meaning 120 credit hours for the Bachelors degree and another 35 hours or so for the Masters. After that at least 200 real tests as an apprentice with a seasoned examiner, having complete oversight to toss out the exam if it was incorrect.

Most people with that level of Education will not want to work for what an examiner makes. Kentucky State Police polygraph examiner makes $30,000.00 a year sorry no thanks for me, they have mostly old retired police or military people that really don't care.  The professionalism is just not there, I also meet a couple from Tenn same thing for them. I hope they are not the same every where. The ones I have ran across would rather tell war stories than work. I maybe the same 20 years from now, I may be missing some thing as I have only been an LEo for ten years.

This is off the Kentucky Personal cabinet wesite check it out at http://personnel.ky.gov/2400cs/2433.doc

COMMONWEALTH OF KENTUCKY
CLASS SPECIFICATION

CLASS TITLE:  POLYGRAPH EXAMINER II
TITLE CODE:  2433      GROUP:  AUXILIARY LAW ENFORCEMENT
SELECTION METHOD:  100% QUAL      REV. 08-01
NO. OF TEST QUESTIONS:  
SELECTION ID:  5269     SALARY:  (MIN-MID)  $2470.50 - $2980.00  GRADE:  13
SPECIAL ENTRANCE RATE:  No
POSITIONS IN THIS CLASS GENERALLY REPORT TO:  POLYGRAPH SUPERVISOR
PRIMARY USER AGENCY:  DEPARTMENT OF STATE POLICE

[anythingformoney]

Sad, sad, sad.  It is a lot of training for not a lot of pay, while dealing with a lot of ignorant people.  Kind of like being a high school teacher.