Do some techniques work better than others?

Started by Curious Bystander, Mar 11, 2004, 06:55 AM

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A-mused

Quote from: jconleymo on Mar 11, 2004, 09:52 PMIt really disturbs me that you want to be a police officer, a position of integrity and responsibility and yet here you are asking for help on cheating and lying to get the job.  What would you do to convict a suspect?  I can understand wanting something so bad, yet is this really the way to start off trying to get it, maybe it would be better to try a dept or agency that did not do the polygraph for applicants then after you prove your integrity and responsibility, you could advance to a diferent postion somewhere else.  Just a thought.  

I see that none of the 20 Anonymous posters, George, or anyone else has spoken to the issue raised in this post.  No integrity here is there George & Company?

beech trees

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I'll have a go: there is more integrity in manipulating the charts during an unscientific interrogation such as a polygraph than in being paid a salary to lie to potential employee candidates. How's that, slappy?

Quote from: A-mused on Mar 13, 2004, 05:15 PM

I see that none of the 20 Anonymous posters, George, or anyone else has spoken to the issue raised in this post.  No integrity here is there George & Company?
"It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government." ~ Thomas Paine

A-mused

Quote from: beech trees on Mar 13, 2004, 06:11 PMI'll have a go: there is more integrity in manipulating the charts during an unscientific interrogation such as a polygraph than in being paid a salary to lie to potential employee candidates. How's that, slappy?


You know that's not the issue here.  The issue here is whether a person should lie about his/her background, ie thefts, drug use, and other criminal activity in order to get a job in LE.  

Anonymous

A-mused,

Even as "George's Sycophant-in-Chief" I will respond to you that I absolutely disagree with lying or misrepresenting one's background in order to gain consideration for a job, law enforcement or not.  No, I did not respond to the original message that started this thread but I had my feelings as I read it.

I will also agree that the information available on this site (although and once again, information that is available via NUMEROUS other sources) provides the potential for various unsavories to find themselves falling into positions of authority (law enforcement and otherwise) and even back into society where they may not belong.  No doubt about it, we have a dilemma.

However, I am a-mused and a-mazed that a process, with this inherent weakness, is still being used despite the fact that it loses any effective ability to detect deception with each passing day.  Blame this site all you want, you know antipolygraph.org IS NOT the problem.  My personal concern is with the use of the polygraph in any type of screening environment, specifically for pre-employment purposes.  This practice needs to be stopped.

Anonymous

A-mused,

Each and every time a polygraph examinee lies during his polygraph exam, he is the second person to lie.  The first is the polygraph operator.  Be concerned about the first lie before you worry yourself with the second...

dre2142

Quote from: jconleymo on Mar 11, 2004, 09:52 PMIt really disturbs me that you want to be a police officer, a position of integrity and responsibility and yet here you are asking for help on cheating and lying to get the job.  What would you do to convict a suspect?  I can understand wanting something so bad, yet is this really the way to start off trying to get it, maybe it would be better to try a dept or agency that did not do the polygraph for applicants then after you prove your integrity and responsibility, you could advance to a diferent postion somewhere else.  Just a thought.  

When it gets to the point that you are being totally honest, yet still fail the test, there are steps that one has to take.
If you want to talk about integrity, honesty, lets talk about the examiners themselves.

Curious?

Excuse me, but is anyone planning on answering the question from which this thread was started?

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