A Response to Doug Williams

[George W. Maschke]

Doug Williams has removed the text I quoted from his Frequently Asked Questions page.

[Canadian Crusader]

I would personally be embarassed to call myslef an expert in a field as baseless and transparent as polygraphy.

It is blatently obvious that Doug is just trying to make a buck and feels George is giving away his pie.  If Doug was so keen on exposing the fraud behind the test he would make his info free like you have George.

Keep up the good work.

[guest]

In fairness, I think I should point out that Doug helped me pass the test long before George even had his site up.  And it should be noted that Doug has expertise both in polygraph testing AND countermeasures.  And he provides his phone number to answer questions thus providing a value added service.  And since when does giving away information make George an expert?  I guess the Canadians are more communistic than I thought since they seem to think capitalism is a dirty word.  Since George has used Doug's information in his book it seems to me he is basically biting the hand that feeds him.  It reminds me of the old chinese proverb - "Why do you hate me, I've never helped you."

[Canadian Crusader]

Guest where are you coming from and what point are you trying to make?  Your post is way out in left field.

Countermeasures and the info contained in TLBTLD are not propriatary to Mr. Williams.  There is a plethora of info regarding the poly all over the net.

Mr. Williams is trying to discredit George and this page.  From a business stand point, the only reason I can see for Mr. Williams to do so is that George is cutting into Mr. Williams sales.  It would stand to reason therefore that the info George compiled in his book is accurate.  If it wasn't, why would Doug be making such a stink?  Same sort of logic applies for all the polygraphers on this site "warning" others not to use CM's as they claim they are detectable.  If they were, would it not be in the polygraphers best interest to stay quiet on the CM matter and catch people using them redhandedly?

From this Canadians stand point it would appear that George is right on the money regarding his plight to reveal the joke behind the test and the info regarding CM's in his book.

[George W. Maschke]

Guest,

My response to Doug Williams, which started this message thread, is in direct answer to the attack on AntiPolygraph.org and myself that he posted on his Frequently Asked Questions page.

Mr. Williams apparently has chosen to remove the language I quoted from his website, rather than defend it. Was it your intention to support his now withdrawn attack? That Mr. Williams helped you to pass a polygraph "test" long before AntiPolygraph.org went on-line, that he has expertise both in administering polygraph examination and in countermeasures, and that he provides his phone number does not answer the points I raised in my response to his attack. (Your mentioning these things does, however, raise the question of whether you might be Doug Williams posting in disguise.)

You ask, "And since when does giving away information make George an expert?" Again, in my response to Mr. Williams (you read it, didn't you?),  I make no specific claim to being an "expert." If I have written anything on polygraph matters that you believe to be incorrect, please feel free to post your concerns on this message board.

On a final note, how does our having cited Mr. Williams' manual in The Lie Behind the Lie Detector amount to biting the hand that feeds us?

[BSDetector]

George your paranoia has reached an all time high even for you.  "They're coming to take me away ha ha, they're coming to take me away...."   Now everyone is out to get you, both pro and anti polygraph guys.  And are you posting under other names in support of your side of this little fight?  As if you would admit it.   What a joke!!!  Go to bed you need some sleep.

[guest]

No, I am not Doug Williams, but I am happy to say I bought his manual,  called him numerous times for help, and am now employed as a LEO because of him.

[beech trees]

bsdetector,

Here is a little tip, take it and run with it if you'd like: ad hominem attacks only work superficially when there is some grain of truth from which to extrapolate your smear against the man; when you manufacture it wholecloth, as you've done here, you only manage to not only make yourself look petty and vicious, but stupid as well. Have a nice day,

dave

George your paranoia has reached an all time high even for you.  "They're coming to take me away ha ha, they're coming to take me away...."   Now everyone is out to get you, both pro and anti polygraph guys.  And are you posting under other names in support of your side of this little fight?  As if you would admit it.   What a joke!!!  Go to bed you need some sleep.

[BS Detector]

Beechtrees aka George M., I'm sorry if you don't appreciate my humor but your post makes me certain this is actually George posting under a false name.  Talk about petty and stupid - but very funny.

[beech trees]

Now who is the one who appears paranoid? No, 'bsdetector', I'm not George. I'm sure we can arrange a telephonic conference call at your convenience to ease that aforementioned paranoia...

By the way, are any of the other contributors George, or just me? Maybe you think we're ALL George? Seek help bsdetector...

Beechtrees aka George M., I'm sorry if you don't appreciate my humor but your post makes me certain this is actually George posting under a false name.  Talk about petty and stupid - but very funny.

[Amused]

I'm not George, I'm dave......no, no, wait a minute I'm not dave, I'm the Canadian Crusader....no, no wait a minute, I'm George and I really need everyone to tell me how great I am so I can get well.  These voices, they are getting louder, louder, yes, yes, I really am, I'm King George the Turd.  Bow down you earthlings......no, no, I'm not George........

[Canadian Crusader]

Someone hook Amused up to a poly so we can get to the bottom of things here!

Better get him to take the MMPI2 first so we can ensure he is mentally capable to take the test.

[George W. Maschke]

George,

Perhaps Doug was upset about my post (I can't find it now) that questioned his character in regard to the apparent contradictions of his past (thousands of exams run?!) and present polygraph views. ?

Public Servant,

I think you're referring here to another reference on Doug Williams' Frequently Asked Questions list. Where he speaks of attacks on his character, he is apparently referring to the recently re-designed Passapolygraph.com website, which now has an "About Our Competition" page that refers to Doug Williams without mentioning him by name.

[Administrator]

For the record, the various posts in this message thread posted under the names:

amused
Amused
BS Detector
BSDetector
guest

have all originated from the same, shared IP addresses.

[Amused]

And now George is posting as the ADMINISTRATOR too.  Look out everyone.  Don't say anything bad about King George or he will track you down and destroy you.  What a joke!!!!