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[Saidme]

Capt T

Why jeopardize a job that's "very important" to you by taking advice from a bunch of clowns who failed their own polygraphs?  Some say they failed even though they were telling the truth.  Do we know they were telling the truth?  I don't think so.  I suspect you're applying for a job that's in law enforcement or intelligence work.  Do you really want the advice of a group who assists convicted sex offenders (adult and child) trying to get over on their probation and parole officers.  Just peruse through some of the posts and see some of the folks out there seeking these folks advice.  If you use CM's and get raked over the coals, hang it up.  If you've got nothing to hide, take the exam.  The vast majority of folks who take the exam pass it with no problem.  I have some friends who run pre-employment for a federal agency to remain anonymous.  They've told me the large majority of people pass their polygraph's with little or no problem.  The one's that don't outright failed and confessed to DQ'ing information and the others were caught and/or suspected of employing CM's.  Keep it on the up and up and you'll do fine .  And by the way, I called you dipshit.  No offense intended but you did come to this website afterall.

[suethem]

Saidme,

I believe that I have read here on this site that the failure rate for the FBI pre-employment poly is at about 50%.  There is a SO (I think its Yolo Co CA) that has a failure rate of 70%.  So to say that the vast majority pass, does not seem very accurate.

So if you don't confess or admit to using countermeasures (which is to confess), you are failed for using countermeasures without confessing to using them?  

That means there are no false positives- which is what most polygraphers believe.  That would make the polygraph 100%.

I thought you weren't a true believer, but I guess you are.

[s-X-e]

Capt T

Why jeopardize a job that's "very important" to you by taking advice from a bunch of clowns who failed their own polygraphs?

The fact that anybody on here may have failed a polygraph test does not impeach their credibility or suggest that any of them are less qualified to give advice. It just means that they all fell victim to a procedure that lacks any scientific validity, which is nothing to be ashamed of.

Some say they failed even though they were telling the truth.  Do we know they were telling the truth?  I don't think so.

No, but we also have no reason to believe anybody on here is lying when they claim that they told the truth on their polygraph. We do, however, know that you and other examiners lie to other examinees during their examinations and expect them to be less than truthful when responding to their questions. I guess by your reasoning that would make you the least qualified to give advice on here, wouldn't it?

I suspect you're applying for a job that's in law enforcement or intelligence work.  Do you really want the advice of a group who assists convicted sex offenders (adult and child) trying to get over on their probation and parole officers.  Just peruse through some of the posts and see some of the folks out there seeking these folks advice.

If the polygraph community did not rely on such an inaccurate procedure to assess guilt or innocence it would not fall victim to such flaws as the potential for successfully employed countermeasures. You also frequently make the unsupported claim that countermeasures are detected all the time, so any assistance this site may provide to criminals should not be too much of a concern to you, should it?

And by the way, I called you dipshit.  No offense intended but you did come to this website afterall.

As did you, Saidme.