"how to sting the polygraph"

[suethem]

saidme,

Have you ever done pre-screening poly test?

[Skeptic]

suethem

I don't do screening polygraph exams.  So to answer your question, no.  Have I ever called an innocent person guilty?  Not to my knowledge.  

Skeptic

I'm hearing some rationalizations creeping into your answers, watch it!

I'm not sure to which part of what I wrote you're referring.

If Townsend downloaded child porn with exploitation in mind, he should have been nailed to the wall (note that he's been released without being charged).  But yes, I do believe some people hate pedophiles enough to play vigilante online, just as some people foolishly try to play vigilante with drug dealers.  I'm not saying it's a good or smart thing to do, particularly because it's likely  impossible (from a legal standpoint) to determine who's heart is in the right place without letting nasty people off the hook.  Clearly, crying "research" or "vigilante" is a pretty easy defense.

However, I don't believe acknowledging that some people's heart is in the right place (even if their actions are foolish) is a rationalization; it's simply being fair (or attempting to).

Skeptic

[Twoblock]

Skeptic

I don't know if you remember my post of a long while back, where I stated that my daughter was raped at gun point and the cops wouldn't even arrest the bastard. This was many uears ago. Well, I had to saddle up and ride the vigilante trail. If some pervert ever sends me any child porn, I will saddle up and ride again because I can't trust LE to act. I have received unwanted adult porn and LE says there is nothing they can do about it. Is there a "freedom of adult porn act"? After the first to or three I was able to recognize the lead-in and delete it without opening it. Child porn is a different thing. The first one those that I receive will require another ride.

[orolan]

Twoblock,
Have to agree with you there. If anybody does such a thing with one of my daughters, they better damn well hope the police get them safely inside the jail before I get to them. I don't have the porn problem, but that's because I delete everything that comes in that isn't from somebody I know. And when the name is the same, usually you can tell by the subject.

[Onesimus]

Saidme,

Kudos to you for catching 100% of those who confessed to using countermeasures, and no-one who has not.

Have I ever called an innocent person guilty?  Not to my knowledge.  

How many people have you accused of lying that did not give you a confession and were later found to be guilty in a court of law?  

Given the about quote I can assume that there is no-one that you have accused of lying that was not found guilty in a court of law right?  

[Saidme]

I can't give you an exact number but many.  And you're right, they we're all found guilty.  

[suethem]

Saidme,

have you ever done pre-screening polygraphs?

[Poly-Killer]

Why is it that, throughout this thread, many of saidme's responses or vague, elusive or fail altogether to answer questions asked?

On the other hand, most others here respond directly to issues raised by saidme in a straight-forward manner.  

Could it be that this  examiner is being "less than honest"?

Just curious,
PK

[wombat]

saidme,
do you belive that if YOU were given a poly that you could lie on one or more issues and pass using CM's ect?

[Saidme]

Wombat

I wouldn't have any need to use CM's.  

[wombat]

Saidme,
you dident answer my question.
i asked IF you had to lie. would you pass the poly on that issue?

[suethem]

Saidme,

This is the third time I have asked this question only to get no response from you:


Have you ever given pre-screening polygraph exams?

[beech trees]

Saidme,

This is the third time I have asked this question only to get no response from you:


Have you ever given pre-screening polygraph exams?

You probably missed this post, suethem, in which 'saidme' writes:

I don't do screening polygraph exams.  So to answer your question, no.  Have I ever called an innocent person guilty?  Not to my knowledge.  

[suethem]

Beech trees,

I ask if Saidme had EVER done pre-sreening polygraphs

He responded that he doesn't do them (as is currently).

But I want to know if he EVER did give them.

I guess I find it hard to believe that a polygrapher would only do one type.  It may be common, but I want to hear it from him.  

So if Saidme will respond- I will drop it like a brick.

Saidme, have you EVER given pre-screening polygraphs?

[Saidme]

Wombat

If I HAD (as you put it) to lie and the examination was conducted by a competent examiner, I doubt I would pass.  I describe a competent examiner as one who conducts an ethical examination and at the same time is observant for CM's.  

Suethem

I don't do pre-employment polygraph examinations, I've never done pre-employment polygraph examinations, and I'll never do pre-employment polygraph examinations.  Hope that answers your question.