CIA Polygraph

Started by guyincognito, May 07, 2003, 11:51 PM

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Not to mention the Ricki Lake show seems to rely on polygraphy quite heavily, so a glamorous career in daytime talk television is always a fallback option.

Unfortunately, I think government polygraphers' jobs are pretty safe.

George W. Maschke

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Quote from: PDD-Fed on Jun 10, 2003, 01:03 PM

I wonder if the administrators of this site care that based on the above quote it is highly likely this applicant LIED on his CIA background investigation regarding Driving Under the Influence and that is WHY he has come to this site?  Why do you think he is sooo WORRIED about that question???? :-/

No such inference may be logically drawn from guyincognito's post. His doubts about whether this question always serves as a "probable-lie control" question are no indication that that he has been deceptive about the subject matter of that question. I was at first very surprised to learn that the FBI uses a question about driving under the influence as a "control" question, as it seems incredibly stupid to assume that everyone who drinks alcohol and drives a motor vehicle has done this. (I've long since ceased to be surprised by incredible stupidity coming from the polygraph community.)

In addition, if I'm not mistaken, the CIA routinely conducts pre-employment polygraph examinations before, not after, a background investigation. So guyincognito had probably not even been questioned about his drinking and driving habits at the time he posted his questions.

QuoteNow here is the probable scenerio as I see it:  He has read your book and will attempt countermeasures at his CIA polygraph.  Who knows, he MIGHT even be successful.  (I highly doubt it).

I believe that contrary to what you broadcast on this site, his examiner will identify the attempt at countermeasures.  At that time "guyincognito" will be immediately disqualified due to willful non-cooperation.

Why do you believe that CIA polygraphers (or any polygraphers) have any ability to detect the kinds of countermeasures described in The Lie Behind the Lie Detector? No polygrapher has ever demonstrated any such ability.

QuoteNow the fact is if he had never read your book, he would have probably admitted to his examiner that he had driven under the influence before he ever took the test and when the case went before the adjudicators, he would have likely been given the benefit of the doubt and received a job offer.

Again, agencies that use a question about driving under the influence as a "control" question assume that everyone has done this.

Moreover, you're pre-supposing that guyincognito would have passed the polygraph. There is no logical basis for this assumption. He may or may not have. But since we know (and the National Academy of Sciences has confirmed) that polygraph screening is completely invalid, and that the probable-lie "control" question "test" used by CIA has an inherent bias against truthtellers, it makes sense for anyone facing a seance with a polygrapher to practice and employ countermeasures.

QuoteSo either this person will be successful in his countermeasures attempt (based on your coaching) and receive a top secret position he knows/believes he is UNQUALIFIED for, or he will be caught and not get the job he might have otherwise been given a waiver for.

Again, your assumption that  guyincognito knows/believes he is unqualified for a CIA security clearance and/or employment is unwarranted.

QuoteThis is why I take exception to your repeated assertions that you are doing a "public service" with this website... 8)

PDD-Fed


I don't recall "repeatedly asserting" that I or others involved with AntiPolygraph.org are doing a public service with this website, but I do agree with that which Anonymous has posted above. ;)
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