A Polygraph-Beating Double Agent in the FBI?

[DippityShurff]

I find it humorous that United States government agencies still have faith in a flawed technology that has led to countless security breaches   If anyone can go buy a $50 tutorial that teaches the methodology behind exploiting the system, how can the government consciously still employ it.

- Proudly Canadian

Doc,

I know the answer to the above question.  It's because they have demons that have metastasized throughout their bodies and they now work for SATAN.  The aforementioned answer is at least as scientific as the polygraph, EH?

Proudly American!

[DocHoliday]

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eh? I think your on to something  . Once again it's hard to believe that Polygraphy has been passed off as a science for so long, if not still to this day? Satan's rebirth would probably be in the form of a polygraph machine.

Doc Holiday

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[George W. Maschke]

DocHoliday,

Don't be too smug about the U.S. government's foolish reliance on polygraphy: the Canadian government does the same, albeit to a lesser extent. The Canadian Police College operates a polygraph school and the RCMP (the FBI's Canadian counterpart) has begun requiring applicants to submit to pre-employment polygraph screening. The Canadian Security Intelligence Service also relies on polygraphy, as do many municipal police departments, especially in the western provinces.

I find it humorous that United States government agencies still have faith in a flawed technology that has led to countless security breaches   If anyone can go buy a $50 tutorial that teaches the methodology behind exploiting the system, how can the government consciously still employ it.

- Proudly Canadian

[DocHoliday]

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Maschke,

Thanks for the detailed response and links to Canadian government
Polygraph policy and guidelines.  There is definitely enough reading
material in there to last me for awhile  

I was aware that the Canadian Surveillance Intelligence Service (CSIS)
used the Polygraph for pre-employment screening, operations *AND*
evaluating Security Clearance.  As discussed here:
http://www.sirc-csars.gc.ca/pdfs/90-91_e.pdf#search=%22csis%20polygraph%22

I did not realize that the polygraph was used at the municipal level.
I do wonder what uses the Polygraph has at the municipal level and how
much trust is instilled in it's results.  

Regards,

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[furedy]

CANADIAN USES OF THE POLYGRAPH

Although not admissible as evidence, the polygraph is used in Canada both in its confession-inducing capacity in the case of crimes (a Toronto police polygrapher once memorably testified that he regarded himself as an interrogator with polygraphic training (i.e., the polygraph is a useful interrogatory prop), as well as in civil disputes where the polygrapher can either be "hostile" or "friendly".  In criminal cases it's actually useful for the Canadian polygraph industry that it is not admissible as evidence, as it is therefore also not open to cross examination.  So just as the ancient Roman critics were not able to inquire into the details of a specific entrails-reading "test", so the specifics of a specific polygraph "test" are also shrouded in mystery, while the social disease that this piece of superstition spreads permeates all of society, as any citizen can get into a dispute with another citizen.

All the best, John

[George W. Maschke]

The video of the CBS 60 Minutes report "Lost in Translation," which documents the allegations of FBI whistleblower Sibel Edmonds, which include the FBI's penetration by a polygraph-passing Turkish spy, has been posted to YouTube.com and may be viewed here:

• Part One
  
• Part Two
  
• Part Three
  
• Part Four

Alternatively, the segment may be downloaded as a 300 mb MPEG file here:

http://vestigialconscience.com/Sibel60Minutes.mpg

[George W. Maschke]

For a good overview and update on FBI whistleblower Sibel Edmonds allegations of criminal wrongdoing within the Bureau, Justice Department, and elsewhere, listen to ExpertWitnessRadio.org's recent two-part interview of investigative blogger Luke Ryland. Each mp3 file is 12.5 mb:

http://www.expertwitnessradio.org/members/downloads/expertWitness-2007-03-12-Ryland.mp3

http://www.expertwitnessradio.org/archives/expertWitness-2007-03-19-RylandWeekTwo.mp3

In addition, see Ryland's "Let Sibel Edmonds Speak" blog:

http://letsibeledmondsspeak.blogspot.com

[DocHoliday]

Thanks for the update George.  

[George W. Maschke]

FBI whistleblower Sibel Edmonds has made the momentous decision to go public with all of her allegations of criminality and coverup within the U.S. Government, facing the risk of criminal prosecution in the process. See "FBI Whistleblower Sibel Edmonds Will Now Tell All - and Faces Charges if Necessary - to Any Major Television Network That Will Let Her" on The Brad Blog.

[1904]

Sheesh. Spies passing FBI polygraph tests
FBI Experts debunking the polygraph
FBI personnel blowing the whistle on the FBI
APA demigods with false Phd's
Polygraphers outing polygraphers

The house of polygraph is

[George W. Maschke]

FBI whistleblower Sibel Edmonds yesterday (Saturday, 7 August 2009), for the first time, spoke at full length and under oath about the governmental criminality she observed while working as an FBI language specialist shortly after the terrorist attacks of 11 September 2001. For coverage of Edmonds' revelations, see "Deposition of Sibel Edmonds Completed, DoJ a 'No Show', Bombshells Under Oath" on The Brad Blog.

Edmonds' deposition was videotaped in its entirety, and the deposition is expected to be made available on-line. In the meantime, a video report filmed outside the National Whistleblowers Center, where the deposition was taken, is available via YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSvlwg3F6q0