Attention: APA-Certified PCSOT Forensic Psycho-Physiologists -- Rate This PLCQ Maintenance "Test"

[Dan Mangan]

1. Is your last name Doe? (YES)

2. Will you tell the truth on this test? (YES)

3C. Since being at [treatment center name], have you lied to [therapist] about anything we haven't covered? (NO)

4R. Since being at [treatment center name], have you had any sexual contact that you're hiding? (NO)

5C. Since being at [treatment center name], have you had any deviant sexual thoughts that you haven't reported? (NO)

6R. Since being at [treatment center name], have you used any social media that you're concealing? (NO)

7C. Since being at [treatment center name], have you lied to probation about anything that we haven't covered? (NO)

8R. Since being at [treatment center name], have you deliberately accessed X-rated material that you're concealing? (NO)

[Dan Mangan]

What, no takers?

I am shocked, appalled and dismayed.

Look closely at the CQs, then explain what's wrong with this picture.

[Ex Member]

They should be exclusionary when presented before the RQ's.

[Dan Mangan]

Let's humor the peanut gallery, Ark, especially the polygraph apologist lurkers out there.

Again, this is a probable-lie PCSOT maintenance "test."

If the SO is responding favorably to treatment -- to include being honest with everyone in the so-called treatment triangle -- why exactly do these particular inclusive CQs comprise a fatal flaw with this "test"?

What is the inherent danger of using those CQs on a treatment-amenable SO who is telling the truth?

Spell it out for the folks at home.

[Ex Member]

I'm not privy to what is actually taught at a PCSOT course. In my opinion, by using inclusionary CQ's of this nature, an SO would most likely perceive them as RQ's. For example, accessing porn and lying to probation, could be equally salient for someone under the gun.

[Dan Mangan]

The ethical shortfall here is that the compliant offender -- i.e., one who is being honest and truthful across the board -- has virtually no chance of passing the "test."

Yet, passing the "test" is critical to completing the SOT program.

That means the honest SO is rewarded with -- punishment.

Ironic, no?

And sick.

[Ex Member]

If my thinking is correct, the results would push towards an inconclusive, or even a possible false negative. However, from what I've read in recent times, the exam may not even be properly scored. In these fishing expeditions, the trend appears to look for reactions on any question which is then used in an attempt to elicit admissions.

[Dan Mangan]

Ark, in the real world, the scenario I described would likely push toward a false-positive "test" result.

Why is that, you ask?

Because the convicted SO is already sensitized to the issues surrounding the RQs.

With such weak PLCQs presented to the honest, truthful and compliant subject, chances of passing are slim.

But happily for the "forensic psycho-physiologist" who runs this kind of bastardized and twisted CF, the checks keep clearing.

You see, Ark, in the PCSOT world, accountability is sparse.

That's why such abuse is so rampant.

Should anyone be surprised? 

Joe McCarthy has been sounding the alarm for years, but no one wants to upset the apple cart.

Why do you think that is?

[Ex Member]

Joe McCarthy has been sounding the alarm for years, but no one wants to upset the apple cart.

Why do you think that is?

Dan, you remind me of Billy Hayes walking the circle counter-clockwise, upsetting all the Turkish mental patients.

[Dan Mangan]

Ark, this "Midnight Express" polygraph-abuse revelation train could very well be gaining steam -- and sooner rather than later.

Imagine the shitstorm that will ensue if it is shown that the faulty PCSOT "test" that I described has been routinely used in an institutional -- and allegedly therapeutic -- setting on juvenile SOs.

If what I've been told is true, woe betide the "certified forensic psycho-physiologists" responsible for such abuse -- and the institutional decision makers who allow such "testing" to be conducted.

[Joe McCarthy]

I'm having a real issue with C5

[Joe McCarthy]

OK wait, I just ready the other posts.

This guy listed control questions on his report?

Also lying to probation and therapist makes for great known controls, if you are going to go to known controls.  To be sure to make it fair to all parties, I would add "before this year", or, "before your last polygraph.  That way you are not clouding the relevant time line. 

But thats me.

I have a HUGE issue with C5 though.

[Joe McCarthy]

And yes, I have been warning everyone of a lot of things over the years.  The warnings have benefited both sides of the spectrum, and have been unbiased and documented clearly. 

The problem is, no one wants unbiased opinions, warnings or facts.  They only want facts or warnings that fit a narrative. 

[Ex Member]

Joe, what do you mean by "known control"? I am not familiar with this term.

[Dan Mangan]

You're getting warm, Joe. Maybe.

Again, what is the fatal flaw with this SO maintenance "test" for the honest client who is responding favorably to treatment?

Study the questions set, Joe, and think it through.

BTW, the "test" was administered to a juvenile.

And in case you haven't heard, ATSA recently published guidelines that recommend AGAINST subjecting juveniles to polygraph "testing".