Personal Conduct

Started by WorriedInNE, Aug 22, 2006, 01:31 AM

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WorriedInNE

So, I have a question and I'd like an honest opinion. I have lied in the past about alcohol usage to friends (overestimated). Needless to say, it was a stupid move and I am going to come clean. It was something that was out of character.

Nevertheless, would this type of behavior preclude me from getting a clearance assuming no other derogatory information?

cesium_133

Worried-

Stop worrying, first.  It expends energy you might otherwise need  :-/

Now, when you're polyed, the chart jockey may ask you questions about alcohol use/abuse, or he may not.  There are quite a few formats and subformats of polygraphs in use.  Some use control questions ("Have you ever driven drunk/been drunk/blacked out from drinking?"), which really aren't controls at all.  Some don't.  Some use controls where you are told to lie to the question.  And on and on.

Best advice: read The Lie Behind the Lie Detector, which is free and available on this site.  If you wish, start with Chapters 3 and 4.  They'll give you all you need to know about types of tests and their respective countermeasures.

That said, you shouldn't feel obligated to tell the polyboy anything other than what he asks.  If he asks about alcohol usage and you give him an answer from the Confession booth rather than a short, no-frills one, he's just going to inquire further.  You don't have to "come clean".  He's going to misrepresent himself to you, so you don't have to tell every peccadillo of your life (be honest, but just answer what he asks...)

Questions about alcohol use are likely "control" ones, anyhow, where they look to see if the question bothers you more than relevants.  It's bad science, but that's life.  However, if they ask,

"Have you been diagnosed as alcoholic before?"
"Have you had problems holding jobs due to alcohol usage?"
"Have you ever been convicted of DUI?"

You likely have a relevant question, especially the first two.  The third has reputedly been used both as control and relevant; when in doubt, treat a question as -relevant-, and I would this one.

Now, "Have you ever lied to your friends about alcohol usage?" is very likely control.  The PD or whoever is testing you doesn't generally care about how you respect or interact with your friends.  Two schools of thought on the answer to give: you can say "no" and set off the machine (given your statements), which isn't all bad: it produces a response, which can help you pass if it is higher than surrounding relevants.  Or you can answer "yes", as I would, and if they ask something about it, be ready with a generic, non-committal answer.

I would tell the truth and use CM's simultaneously, myself.  You can always say you were truthful (you were), and that you felt guilty about the question because you felt bad about lying to your friends (which is also true).  Thus, you've won with the truth and a little bit of physiological amplification.  Not bad :)

Good luck with your endeavors.  Live in the truth, but don't think a poly can discern it...  ;D
Polygraphers escaped from among the evils of Pandora's box, which might have been an old analog polygraph... only God can tell whether you're lying or not, and He will judge you in His own time...

WorriedInNE

Well, a little background first. I'm going for TS/SCI with poly.

The reason I ask about all of this is how it's going to make it through the adjudication process, if it even comes up. I know how important honesty is and I don't know how the powers-that-be will see it.

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