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Posted by wombat
 - Jun 22, 2003, 03:53 PM
saidme,

definatly. you will get an honest result. and if i fail ill be the first one to warn any one that thinks of using CM's to hide the "truth".
im confident that IF its possible to beat the "system" based on what is writen here then i can do it.
Posted by Saidme
 - Jun 22, 2003, 03:13 PM
I would like an honest (no pun intended) reply on your polygraph results.  As an examiner, I always enjoy people like you.  It makes my job easier. ;)
Posted by wombat
 - Jun 22, 2003, 03:10 PM
saidme,

time will tell. but like i sayed earlier, i have already spent hours and hours with shrinks and interrogators as part of my "process". passed them all. i perform well under pressure.

the more i read the more i become confident that it'll be a cake walk;)
Posted by Saidme
 - Jun 22, 2003, 02:44 PM
Wombat

"He who has eyes to see and ears to hear may convince himself that no mortal can keep a secret.  If his lips are silent he chatters with his fingertips; betrayal oozes out of him at every pore"    S. Freud

I believe you'll be oozing during your upcoming polygraph exam.  You just better hope and pray your examiner's not observant.  I suspect he/she will be quite observant.   ;)
Posted by Saidme
 - Jun 22, 2003, 02:41 PM
Anal probe, hmmmm!  ;)
Posted by wombat
 - Jun 22, 2003, 08:02 AM
anal probe? sh*t....now THAT would get any one to confess.
imagine, the first thing the poly guys asks you: "with or with out vaseline?" :)


Posted by Poly-Killer
 - Jun 22, 2003, 04:40 AM
Quote from: Skeptic on Jun 21, 2003, 08:13 PM

Like so much in the polygraph world, the sensors are largely for bluffery.

They would presumably pick up attempts to press one's feet against the floor, etc.  But no, they won't pick up the anal pucker.

In fact, just about the only thing that would is an anal probe.  Haven't seen that proposed yet, but I suppose it's coming.

Skeptic

I bet when that happens, Saidme will REALLY enjoy his work.  :o

PK
Posted by Skeptic
 - Jun 22, 2003, 12:09 AM
Quote from: wombat on Jun 21, 2003, 08:54 PMany one else done a test were they had sennsors and did a pucker??

I went through three polygraphs at the NSA.  On two of them, I used the anal pucker with obvious effect and no evident detection.

Now, it should be noted that the chair in which I sat (a big, red, fluffy La-Z-Boy-type chair) did not have wires leading to it or anything like that.  However, it is reasonable to assume the NSA has the best-trained and equipped polygraphers anywhere; if they had felt activity sensors would have been helpful for detecting countermeasures, I'm have little doubt they would have been used, and likely embedded in the chair.

So, you have two bits of info here: first, no activity sensors were evident, implying the NSA doesn't find them useful.  Second, if they were using them surreptitiously, the sensors were evidently unable to detect my countermeasure use.

Skeptic
Posted by wombat
 - Jun 21, 2003, 08:54 PM
any one else done a test were they had sennsors and did a pucker??
Posted by Skeptic
 - Jun 21, 2003, 08:13 PM
Quote from: wombat on Jun 21, 2003, 06:05 PMif the sennsors dont pick up a pucker, what are they there for? placebo? or is the pucker too weak?


Like so much in the polygraph world, the sensors are largely for bluffery.

They would presumably pick up attempts to press one's feet against the floor, etc.  But no, they won't pick up the anal pucker.

In fact, just about the only thing that would is an anal probe.  Haven't seen that proposed yet, but I suppose it's coming.

Skeptic
Posted by wombat
 - Jun 21, 2003, 06:05 PM
if the sennsors dont pick up a pucker, what are they there for? placebo? or is the pucker too weak?


Posted by beech trees
 - Jun 20, 2003, 02:19 PM
Quote from: wombat on Jun 20, 2003, 01:54 PMBeech trees,
i take what you say. you are right, considering all i have read i do give "them" too much credit.
but still i have a question:
the pneumatic "Activity Sensor" in the pic George posted looks like it pics up movment were you sit. and on there site it says its very very sensitive.
so are you saying that if by chance were i go they have one of these it wont pick up a pucker?

That is exactly what I'm saying. In fact that is the sensor that my polygraph interrogator used, and I used sphincter contraction as part of my physical countermeasures.

Quoteand could some one explain to me exactly what does an "anal pucker" do to the charts? it affects the cardio rate? does it look like a "natural" peak?

It spikes your BP. And yes, it looks 'natural'.
Posted by wombat
 - Jun 20, 2003, 01:54 PM
Beech trees,
i take what you say. you are right, considering all i have read i do give "them" too much credit.
but still i have a question:
the pneumatic "Activity Sensor" in the pic George posted looks like it pics up movment were you sit. and on there site it says its very very sensitive.
so are you saying that if by chance were i go they have one of these it wont pick up a pucker?

and could some one explain to me exactly what does an "anal pucker" do to the charts? it affects the cardio rate? does it look like a "natural" peak?
Posted by beech trees
 - Jun 20, 2003, 11:47 AM
Quote from: wombat on Jun 20, 2003, 09:11 AMGeorge,
so basicaly ill see whats straped on to the chair and then decide. some of those sennsors look a bit scary...

wombat,

As you and I have previously discussed, the reason they 'look scary' is intentional: They are placebos aimed at intimidating you. They can detect nothing. Strain gauges, or gauges that measure distortions on the legs of the chair, are another matter-- fortunately none of the countermeasures discussed in The Lie Behind The Lie Detector are quantifiable via any 'sensor' currently being used.

Think about it: If there were in fact any sensor capable of detecting anal pucker, then surely the polygraph industry would not make it visible, so that they might catch any interrogation subject actually brash enough to employ the technique.

A sphincter contraction is undetectable externally, period.

You give your tormentors exceedingly too much credit, and that fact will be made abundantly clear to you when you sit for your polygraph interrogation.
Posted by wombat
 - Jun 20, 2003, 09:11 AM
George,
so basicaly ill see whats straped on to the chair and then decide. some of those sennsors look a bit scary...

Saidme,
i have spent already 5 hours with a psychiatrist and 6 hours with a senior "interrogator". i passed both. the "interrogator" even commented on how open and honest i was, and that i shouldn't be stressd about the candy i stole in 3rd grade or the MP3 music i dowload....ha ha...it was fun.
so besides the fact that i have absolotly nothing to lose i feel confident. ill do my best and hope for the best.
the good lord has helped me out till now....i he wont let me down this time.
(btw, according to Ben Shakhar, Fruedy and several other reaserchers the odds of passing a CQT poly when lying and NOT using any CM's stands on 10-25%. thats not bad.)

and one else with info on the whole CM's detection issue? (its not that i dont trust george, id just like some more input).