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Posted by F.Patterson
- Jul 13, 2003, 04:48 AMWell, Well;
Lets just all agree on one thing, RETAO is one sick person who by all means need to be removed from sociaty.
I have been in the military for 14 years fighting for peoples rights. I am starting to questain my rights. I feel watched at every turn and monitored by people that live to take and destroy the rights I have tryed so hard to fight for. Because of my fight with Georgia I have ran into these so called "vigilante". They are not what you think. So, they do stock chat rooms and try to bait preditors. Most the time they just get lonely people trying to find someone to talk to. The real preditors normally stay away from possable traps. The first group is nornally Police Officers and Child Protection Agencies. Next the Civilian group, they are the scariest. Once they feel you are a preditor they will stock your dreams and every waken hour. Calling churchs and papers warning everyone of the evil preditor running loose in there community. Some set up fake porn sights that when you stumble across it, it sends your I.P. address to the police. O'well, I hate to say the preditor hunters and the preditors are all just as scary to me. One has the power to hurt children, the other the power to start a witch hunt and destroy a normal persons life.
From what i have been reading..I am only quoting the Department for Sexual Research and Social Behavior. These type crimes are way down. The trouble is the true preditors normal pleBargain for a shorter jail time. There is people who still to this day sit in the jail I was in witing for over a year for trial. The truly guilty ple out an are in jail in under a year. Then back in public with in 1 to 4 years, on probation for 5 to 20 years. Now if you are not guilty but fight, and in the fight are found guilty. You normally get 15 to 20 per charge in prison with no probation. This is how they get so may.
Now since this sight is for polygraph chats, if I refuse to take the polygraph. The detective takes it as I did do the crime. My attorney told me not to take it when i was about to be arrested. He said if I took it and the detective felt I did not pass. It would give the detective more to to hold me and look for more charges. The point is Polygraph testing goes off emotion and nerves. Because of this the test can and most times does read wrong. They shake you up then ask you a questain. If you are shookin up it reads to them as a lie. The test is in the hands of the reader, and a good law enforcement polygragh tester can get it to read how he will most the time.
As far as preditors go. I will teach my children. Most children are lonely and there family life sucks. This gives sick'os "like RETAO is leading us on to believe he is" children to pray on. The fault is on of Society and bad family valuse.
Last, If my information is not fully"Accurate";tell me and show me where you have found diffrent. I am here to learn and support antipolygraph. I polygraph is one more way to take away peoples rights.
Thanks and God bless
Lets just all agree on one thing, RETAO is one sick person who by all means need to be removed from sociaty.
I have been in the military for 14 years fighting for peoples rights. I am starting to questain my rights. I feel watched at every turn and monitored by people that live to take and destroy the rights I have tryed so hard to fight for. Because of my fight with Georgia I have ran into these so called "vigilante". They are not what you think. So, they do stock chat rooms and try to bait preditors. Most the time they just get lonely people trying to find someone to talk to. The real preditors normally stay away from possable traps. The first group is nornally Police Officers and Child Protection Agencies. Next the Civilian group, they are the scariest. Once they feel you are a preditor they will stock your dreams and every waken hour. Calling churchs and papers warning everyone of the evil preditor running loose in there community. Some set up fake porn sights that when you stumble across it, it sends your I.P. address to the police. O'well, I hate to say the preditor hunters and the preditors are all just as scary to me. One has the power to hurt children, the other the power to start a witch hunt and destroy a normal persons life.
From what i have been reading..I am only quoting the Department for Sexual Research and Social Behavior. These type crimes are way down. The trouble is the true preditors normal pleBargain for a shorter jail time. There is people who still to this day sit in the jail I was in witing for over a year for trial. The truly guilty ple out an are in jail in under a year. Then back in public with in 1 to 4 years, on probation for 5 to 20 years. Now if you are not guilty but fight, and in the fight are found guilty. You normally get 15 to 20 per charge in prison with no probation. This is how they get so may.
Now since this sight is for polygraph chats, if I refuse to take the polygraph. The detective takes it as I did do the crime. My attorney told me not to take it when i was about to be arrested. He said if I took it and the detective felt I did not pass. It would give the detective more to to hold me and look for more charges. The point is Polygraph testing goes off emotion and nerves. Because of this the test can and most times does read wrong. They shake you up then ask you a questain. If you are shookin up it reads to them as a lie. The test is in the hands of the reader, and a good law enforcement polygragh tester can get it to read how he will most the time.
As far as preditors go. I will teach my children. Most children are lonely and there family life sucks. This gives sick'os "like RETAO is leading us on to believe he is" children to pray on. The fault is on of Society and bad family valuse.
Last, If my information is not fully"Accurate";tell me and show me where you have found diffrent. I am here to learn and support antipolygraph. I polygraph is one more way to take away peoples rights.
Thanks and God bless
Posted by OkieBoy
- Jul 07, 2003, 06:21 PMAnonymouse1,
Please point out any part where I have condoned letting pedophiles get away with their heinous crimes!
I am merely anti-polygraph, not pro-child molestation.
I encourage anyone who hears of a person bragging about such hideous crimes to immediately contact the police.
I do not advocate "hunting" people out like a comic-book vigilante, but I do advocate letting the police do their job.
-Okieboy
Please point out any part where I have condoned letting pedophiles get away with their heinous crimes!
I am merely anti-polygraph, not pro-child molestation.
I encourage anyone who hears of a person bragging about such hideous crimes to immediately contact the police.
I do not advocate "hunting" people out like a comic-book vigilante, but I do advocate letting the police do their job.
-Okieboy
Posted by anonymouse1
- Jul 07, 2003, 05:54 PMQuote from: OkieBoy on Jul 07, 2003, 06:10 AMIf RETAOE is admitting to having sex with a 10 year old child, then the administrator of this website needs to turn the thread over to the police. At least turn over RETAOE's ISP number to the police wherever he is posting from.
This would be the right thing to do.
-OkieBoy
That's funny, elsewhere on the thread the polygraphers were mocking the idea that a citizen would 'take the law into his own hands' and hunt out pedophiles. Now you want George to do your work for you? Which is it guys? Or doea that depend on your mood and whether or not you agree on what the poster is writing about at that moment?
Posted by orolan
- Jul 07, 2003, 11:55 AMOkieBoy,
Considering the amount of "sensitive" information posted on this site I hope the logs are deleted every day.
QuoteI was arrested and questioned by the police. To make a long story short, they found out everything.By his own admission RETAO has been found out. Passing on his IP would not really help.
Considering the amount of "sensitive" information posted on this site I hope the logs are deleted every day.
Posted by OkieBoy
- Jul 07, 2003, 06:10 AMIf RETAOE is admitting to having sex with a 10 year old child, then the administrator of this website needs to turn the thread over to the police. At least turn over RETAOE's ISP number to the police wherever he is posting from.
This would be the right thing to do.
-OkieBoy
This would be the right thing to do.
-OkieBoy
Posted by orolan
- Jun 12, 2003, 03:42 PMSaidme,
I give you a line-by-line counter-argument, and that's the best you can do? Resort to name-calling like a 6 year-old
I give you a line-by-line counter-argument, and that's the best you can do? Resort to name-calling like a 6 year-old
Posted by Saidme
- Jun 12, 2003, 11:59 AMWell at least we've confirmed you're an idiot.
Posted by orolan
- Jun 12, 2003, 11:48 AMSaidme,
elicit - v1. To bring or draw out.
illicit - adj 1. Not permitted by custom or law; unlawful.
QuoteNo amount of resources to keep child molestors off the street is a waste of time.Well then let's throw reason and money out the window and hire a personal armed bodyguard for every kid in the country. I'm sorry, but the answer to this problem is in proper education and parenting, not in bigger police budgets.
QuoteWho else goes on the internet pretending to be juveniles to snag old perverts?Julie Posey at PedoWatch, about whom they say this; "is highly respected among law enforcement because she has separated herself from the vigilantes and other "child advocates" found on the Internet." So, who are these vigilantes and child advocates they are talking about
QuoteIn 25 years I've never heard of a "vigilante" out hunting down perverts (except on TV).And in your arrogant opinion that means it isn't so
QuoteUnfortunately cases like this occur throughout the US and abroad and never make it to even the local papers.You really don't get out much, do you? The news is rife with stories about child molestations and abductions.
QuoteFortunately there are people like law enforcement officers and polygraph examiners who sit down with these derelicts and illicit confessions from them.Are your "true colors" showing
elicit - v1. To bring or draw out.
illicit - adj 1. Not permitted by custom or law; unlawful.
Posted by Skeptic
- Jun 12, 2003, 02:16 AMQuote from: Saidme on Jun 11, 2003, 06:46 PMSkeptic
The inference to law enforcement was there. Who else goes on the internet pretending to be juveniles to snag old perverts? In 25 years I've never heard of a "vigilante" out hunting down perverts (except on TV). So no apologies to Orolan (at this point anyway).
Actually, Pete Townsend (of The Who) immediately came to mind when I read Orolan's comment.
Skeptic
Posted by Saidme
- Jun 11, 2003, 06:46 PMSkeptic
The inference to law enforcement was there. Who else goes on the internet pretending to be juveniles to snag old perverts? In 25 years I've never heard of a "vigilante" out hunting down perverts (except on TV). So no apologies to Orolan (at this point anyway).
As for the idiot who posted the story, if it's true I hope he's caught and removed from society. If it's bogus then hopefully they will refrain from future postings.
I thought I saw a posting by someone regarding this topic that it was most likely a false story because if it wasn't it would be highly publicized. Unfortunately cases like this occur throughout the US and abroad and never make it to even the local papers. Fortunately there are people like law enforcement officers and polygraph examiners who sit down with these derelicts and illicit confessions from them. These confessions lead to lengthy prison sentences which help safeguard other potential victims.
The inference to law enforcement was there. Who else goes on the internet pretending to be juveniles to snag old perverts? In 25 years I've never heard of a "vigilante" out hunting down perverts (except on TV). So no apologies to Orolan (at this point anyway).
As for the idiot who posted the story, if it's true I hope he's caught and removed from society. If it's bogus then hopefully they will refrain from future postings.
I thought I saw a posting by someone regarding this topic that it was most likely a false story because if it wasn't it would be highly publicized. Unfortunately cases like this occur throughout the US and abroad and never make it to even the local papers. Fortunately there are people like law enforcement officers and polygraph examiners who sit down with these derelicts and illicit confessions from them. These confessions lead to lengthy prison sentences which help safeguard other potential victims.
Posted by Skeptic
- Jun 11, 2003, 06:13 PMQuote from: Saidme on Jun 11, 2003, 03:44 PMOrolan
You're an idiot, a pedophile or both! No amount of resources to keep child molestors off the street is a waste of time. For you to place law enforcement officials in the same class as child molestors shows your true colors.
Actually, I think if you review Orolan's comments you'll find that he didn't claim such.
He said "Makes me think of the guys who work chat rooms all day pretending to be 12 year-old boys looking for older men. Or the ones who surf the Net and IRC looking for (and at) child pornography. All in the name of "ridding the world of sickos". They're the ones who are sick. "
I didn't get the impression he was necessarily talking about law enforcement people with the above (perhaps he could clarify). He might be referring to self-styled vigilantes. Regardless, he clearly didn't say he was referring to "detectives" or "law enforcement officials" in any sense.
Orolan was responding to a blatant troll likely posted by a polygrapher or polygraph backer. And he's right -- what was posted was sick, and the person who posted it clearly has few scruples when it comes to dealing with others. I won't go so far as to group the poster with pedophiles, but that's about the best I can say for him or her.
By the way: I'd be interested in the opinions of any legal types regarding possible consequences of public claims of child molestation activity by an internet poster. Seems to me that it wouldn't be a smart thing to claim just to try to intimidate Mr. Maschke, but I'm not a lawyer.
Skeptic
Posted by PeterFonda
- Jun 11, 2003, 06:02 PMSaidme,
Your attack on Orolan is a bit strong and unjustified! I think with the exception of the sex offenders that use this board...Pro or Con the polygraph, we all must feel satisfaction when a sicko like Retao, (if real) gets caught, even if getting caught involves the polygraph.
Nothing that Orolan has written recently or in the past would justify your nasty comments.
Your attack on Orolan is a bit strong and unjustified! I think with the exception of the sex offenders that use this board...Pro or Con the polygraph, we all must feel satisfaction when a sicko like Retao, (if real) gets caught, even if getting caught involves the polygraph.
Nothing that Orolan has written recently or in the past would justify your nasty comments.
Posted by Saidme
- Jun 11, 2003, 03:44 PMOrolan
You're an idiot, a pedophile or both! No amount of resources to keep child molestors off the street is a waste of time. For you to place law enforcement officials in the same class as child molestors shows your true colors.
You're an idiot, a pedophile or both! No amount of resources to keep child molestors off the street is a waste of time. For you to place law enforcement officials in the same class as child molestors shows your true colors.
Posted by orolan
- Jun 11, 2003, 03:13 PMPoly-Cop,
I have no problem with "police detectives" arresting people seeking out children on the Internet, and never said I did.
I do think that chat room stings are a waste of resources. The fact that people are being caught in spite of the extensive media attention given to these stings just goes to show that the "perpetrators" are idiots. Such idiots will be caught no matter what.
I am not surprised that you disagree with my opinion that anybody pretending to be a child seeking sex has mental problems. After all, you make a living practicing voodoo science. In my opinion, there isn't much difference.
I have no problem with "police detectives" arresting people seeking out children on the Internet, and never said I did.
I do think that chat room stings are a waste of resources. The fact that people are being caught in spite of the extensive media attention given to these stings just goes to show that the "perpetrators" are idiots. Such idiots will be caught no matter what.
I am not surprised that you disagree with my opinion that anybody pretending to be a child seeking sex has mental problems. After all, you make a living practicing voodoo science. In my opinion, there isn't much difference.
Posted by beech trees
- Jun 11, 2003, 11:36 AMQuote from: Poly-Cop on Jun 11, 2003, 10:38 AM
Gee orolon,
You might be interested to know that you are the ONLY person I know of who has ANY problem with police detectives going after adult men who troll for children on the internet. You are not by chance one of those "older men" who got caughtOr maybe, you are just afraid of getting caught...
Makes me wonder...
Poly-Cop
Would you mind quoting the passage in orolan's post where he mentions the words, 'police detectives'?