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Posted by steincj
 - Mar 31, 2003, 03:39 PM
Quote from: guest on Mar 28, 2003, 06:39 PMSo maybe i should just say no and if they come back, say i didnt understand sorry, i wonder if they even check with the fbi?

guest,

The WORST thing you can do is lie on the backgrond investigation forms.  That will get you instantly nixed -- trust me, I used to process security clearances when I was in the Army.  

I guess you can do what I did and hope for the best.  Say yes to question b, and biefly expalin your situation in the remarks section of the questionnaire (provided it has one).

I wish I had a better suggestion for you.  Unfortunately, I am believing in the system and having faith that a background investigator will laugh when he sees the failed FBI poly.  But my fear is that some computer will spit out REJECT somewhere, and human eyes will never cross it.

Here's to faith in people . . .

Chris
Posted by guest
 - Mar 28, 2003, 06:39 PM
So maybe i should just say no and if they come back, say i didnt understand sorry, i wonder if they even check with the fbi?
Posted by steincj
 - Mar 28, 2003, 03:29 AM
Quote from: guest on Mar 28, 2003, 02:00 AM
question b
to your knowledge have you ever had a clearence or access authorization denied, suspended, or revoked or have you ever been debarred from govt employment.

Was I ever really investigated if all they did was the polygraph on you. To me investigation means actually talking to people and such. the polygraph isnt really a background investigation right ? I sound like bill clinton now, what does is mean?


Dear guest,

I just recently filled out my TS PR EPSQ, and the very same question as question b appeared on it.  I, having failed an FBI polygraph, answered yes to the question, as failing the FBI poly has debarred me from employment with them.

No, the polygraph is far from a background investigation, but as I have shown you, the government does let it carry some weight.

For me, it will be the DoD's DSS up against the DoJ's polygraph to see if I will get my Top Secret back.   And if I do, I think Torpedo should buy me a big steak dinner.

NY Strip, medium rare, or maybe Prime Rib, with some fresh horseradish.  Mmm, yes.   That sounds good, I can taste it already.   What do you say, Torpedo?  Does this sink or swim with you?

Chris
Posted by guest
 - Mar 28, 2003, 02:00 AM
what if you had the interview already and they want to hire you but they ran out of money, which they did. I looked in the backround forms they gave me at the interview and it asks the following:

your investigation record

question A
has the us govt ever investigated your backround and or granted you security clearence. you can answer yes or no and then it says, if your response is no or you dont know or cant recall if you were investigated and cleared check the no box.

question b
to your knowledge have you ever had a clearence or access authorization denied, suspended, or revoked or have you ever been debarred from govt employment.

Was I ever really investigated if all they did was the polygraph on you. To me investigation means actually talking to people and such. the polygraph isnt really a background investigation right ? I sound like bill clinton now, what does is mean?
Posted by steincj
 - Mar 15, 2003, 04:14 PM

Quote from: hmmmhhh on Mar 14, 2003, 03:28 AM
so if you failed an FBI polygraph and the employment process ended there, chances are they would ask if you ever applied for and were rejected for a job with another agency. I wonder if they would care. I think most IRS CID are frustrated FBI applicants so I dont think there is any love between the agencies. IT doesnt really matter, they arent hiring anyways.

Dear hmmmhhh,

I can't speak ofr the IRS CID, but I can tell you had the same scenario regarding the FBI and US customs.  After failing the FBI polygraph, I spoke wit the applicant coordiantor for customs.  He assured me that the FBI poly would not be an issure for Cusstoms.  But the initial application did indeed ask about other agencies.  After answering that application honesly, I have heard nothing from Customs.

(see my personal statement for more detail)

Chris
Posted by hmmmhhh
 - Mar 14, 2003, 03:28 AM
so if you failed an FBI polygraph and the employment process ended there, chances are they would ask if you ever applied for and were rejected for a job with another agency. I wonder if they would care. I think most IRS CID are frustrated FBI applicants so I dont think there is any love between the agencies. IT doesnt really matter, they arent hiring anyways.
Posted by spravel
 - Mar 11, 2003, 10:04 PM
NO, the IRS-CID does not polygraph.
Posted by Fred F.
 - Mar 01, 2003, 09:35 PM

Quote from: guest on Mar 01, 2003, 03:45 PM
Does the IRS Criminal Investigation Divsion polygraph?

Guest,

Here is the link to the IRS Special Agent website //www.treas.gov/irs/ci/recruit/index.htm.

It doesn't appear that they use the polygraph. The site also provides contact numbers for your area to speak with a special agent who handles recruiting.



Good Luck

Fred F. ;)
Posted by guest
 - Mar 01, 2003, 03:45 PM
Does the IRS Criminal Investigation Divsion polygraph?