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Posted by Voice of Reason
- Dec 02, 2019, 10:43 PMCrissy
, may I suggest that you dump your husband? Find yourself a long legged Panamanian house boy who doesn't even know what a polygraph is.
, may I suggest that you dump your husband? Find yourself a long legged Panamanian house boy who doesn't even know what a polygraph is.
Posted by Doug Williams
- Nov 29, 2019, 12:38 PMQuote from: elmalarte on Nov 29, 2019, 02:01 AMCrissy,
I am saddened to learn of your situation.Quote from: CrissyL on Nov 28, 2019, 08:45 PMI'm happy to help you figure it out. Your credibility was evaluated by a thoroughly discredited pseudoscientific discipline that has never been properly validated by peer-reviewed science.
I have wracked my brain and cannot for the life of me figure out why I failed.
Trying to rationalize why you failed is like trying to figure out why a coin tossed in the air landed heads instead of tails. Like a coin toss, the greatest factor influencing outcomes in polygraphy is random chance.QuoteI have many regrets from yesterday... the main being not making her ask me the questions regarding the specific incidents in question.Your primary regret should be deciding to enlist the help of a person who practices a thoroughly discredited pseudoscientific discipline.
I would NOT consider a "retest" with the same polygraph operator ("examiner" is a title reserved for those who practice legitimate forensic disciplines).
Why submit yourself to this degrading and physically unpleasant procedure a second time?
You are likely to flunk twice. Any other result would involve the operator admitting to the unreliability of the entire monkey drill.
Even worse, if the charts produced in the second one score as "passing," it is very likely that you will be accused of employing countermeasures (techniques to defeat the "test").
Don't waste any more time dealing with the operator.
This site has a lot of excellent materials, including a free book entitled The Lie Behind the Lie Detector . At this point, the best way for you to mitigate the damage to your relationship is to read it, and to suggest that your husband do the same.
Well said! It might also be helpful to watch this PENN & TELLER episode of BULLSHIT where we prove the lie detector is indeed bullshit. http://m.220.ro/emisiuni-tv/Penn-And-Teller-Bullshit-S07E05-Lie-Detectors-HDTV/8bCgA2Un8c/
Posted by el mal arte
- Nov 29, 2019, 02:01 AMCrissy,
I am saddened to learn of your situation.
Trying to rationalize why you failed is like trying to figure out why a coin tossed in the air landed heads instead of tails. Like a coin toss, the greatest factor influencing outcomes in polygraphy is random chance.
I would NOT consider a "retest" with the same polygraph operator ("examiner" is a title reserved for those who practice legitimate forensic disciplines).
Why submit yourself to this degrading and physically unpleasant procedure a second time?
You are likely to flunk twice. Any other result would involve the operator admitting to the unreliability of the entire monkey drill.
Even worse, if the charts produced in the second one score as "passing," it is very likely that you will be accused of employing countermeasures (techniques to defeat the "test").
Don't waste any more time dealing with the operator.
This site has a lot of excellent materials, including a free book entitled The Lie Behind the Lie Detector . At this point, the best way for you to mitigate the damage to your relationship is to read it, and to suggest that your husband do the same.
I am saddened to learn of your situation.
Quote from: CrissyL on Nov 28, 2019, 08:45 PMI'm happy to help you figure it out. Your credibility was evaluated by a thoroughly discredited pseudoscientific discipline that has never been properly validated by peer-reviewed science.
I have wracked my brain and cannot for the life of me figure out why I failed.
Trying to rationalize why you failed is like trying to figure out why a coin tossed in the air landed heads instead of tails. Like a coin toss, the greatest factor influencing outcomes in polygraphy is random chance.
QuoteI have many regrets from yesterday... the main being not making her ask me the questions regarding the specific incidents in question.Your primary regret should be deciding to enlist the help of a person who practices a thoroughly discredited pseudoscientific discipline.
I would NOT consider a "retest" with the same polygraph operator ("examiner" is a title reserved for those who practice legitimate forensic disciplines).
Why submit yourself to this degrading and physically unpleasant procedure a second time?
You are likely to flunk twice. Any other result would involve the operator admitting to the unreliability of the entire monkey drill.
Even worse, if the charts produced in the second one score as "passing," it is very likely that you will be accused of employing countermeasures (techniques to defeat the "test").
Don't waste any more time dealing with the operator.
This site has a lot of excellent materials, including a free book entitled The Lie Behind the Lie Detector . At this point, the best way for you to mitigate the damage to your relationship is to read it, and to suggest that your husband do the same.
Posted by CrissyL
- Nov 28, 2019, 08:45 PMI had my first polygraph test yesterday. I set it up for myself to prove to my husband that I've been faithful all these years. I walked in just knowing I had nothing to hide my husband knows everything I've done - which is nothing, but did have some experiences that would make him question my faithfulness.
We've had numerous discussions about things over the years and I have told him everything. That resulted in me never even have kissed another, let alone gone any further.
Anyways, we had a couple incidents that we wanted to address specifically during the test. I went though everything with the Examiner 100% truthfully. Since I said I had never even kissed another, let alone had sex she decided she would just narrow everything down to 2 questions:
1. Have you ever in your relationship had any sexual contact with anyone?
2. Have you ever in your relationship initiated sexual contact with anyone?
Now, these were pretty vague blanket questions and didn't actually address any of the specific issues I came to debunk. However, knowing I had a clear conscience I agreed to them.
She finished and asked me how I did. I told her I'm assuming fine but it's nerve wracking. She looked at me and said, "You failed!" I was so taken aback that my head started spinning and I thought I might faint or even vomit for a second.
I have wracked my brain and cannot for the life of me figure out why I failed. I did this because I was confident in my answers and trying to help my relationship. Instead it backfired.
I guess I don't know what else to say. I'm so angry and frustrated with the test. I walked out telling her I didn't want my results, but sent her an email requesting one when I got home immediately and of course no response. I have many regrets from yesterday... the main being not making her ask me the questions regarding the specific incidents in question.
I guess just wondering if anyone has any insight? I've sent her an email requesting more specific questions and asking to take the exam again. As well as asking for my report. I just feel so cheated.
We've had numerous discussions about things over the years and I have told him everything. That resulted in me never even have kissed another, let alone gone any further.
Anyways, we had a couple incidents that we wanted to address specifically during the test. I went though everything with the Examiner 100% truthfully. Since I said I had never even kissed another, let alone had sex she decided she would just narrow everything down to 2 questions:
1. Have you ever in your relationship had any sexual contact with anyone?
2. Have you ever in your relationship initiated sexual contact with anyone?
Now, these were pretty vague blanket questions and didn't actually address any of the specific issues I came to debunk. However, knowing I had a clear conscience I agreed to them.
She finished and asked me how I did. I told her I'm assuming fine but it's nerve wracking. She looked at me and said, "You failed!" I was so taken aback that my head started spinning and I thought I might faint or even vomit for a second.
I have wracked my brain and cannot for the life of me figure out why I failed. I did this because I was confident in my answers and trying to help my relationship. Instead it backfired.
I guess I don't know what else to say. I'm so angry and frustrated with the test. I walked out telling her I didn't want my results, but sent her an email requesting one when I got home immediately and of course no response. I have many regrets from yesterday... the main being not making her ask me the questions regarding the specific incidents in question.
I guess just wondering if anyone has any insight? I've sent her an email requesting more specific questions and asking to take the exam again. As well as asking for my report. I just feel so cheated.